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Trump from his latest campaign rally.

"So I said, let me ask you a question and he said, nobody ever asked this question and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT. Very smart. He goes, I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? And you're in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is now underwater and there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there, by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, do you notice that a lot of shark? I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren't really that angry. They bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry, but they misunderstood what who she was? These people are. He said there's no problem with sharks. They just didn't really understand a young woman swimming now. It really got decimated and other people do a lot of shark attacks. So I said, so there's a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here, do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking? Water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? Because I will tell you he didn't know the answer. He said, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question. I said, I think it's a good question. I think there's a lot of electric current coming through that water. But you know what I'd do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I'll take electrocution every single time"

And people are going to vote for this guy.

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Hilarious!

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The alternative is Biden. Of course people are gonna vote for this guy

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RainDelay wrote:

The alternative is Biden. Of course people are gonna vote for this guy


Which brings us to the most incredible conundrum of them all.

Out of 300m+ people, are these really the best two options they can come up with ?



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RainDelay wrote:

The alternative is Biden. Of course people are gonna vote for this guy


 I have a huge disdain for all politicians.

 

... but Biden has been President for four years, and I fail to see what he has done to offend people so much. He has been hamstrung by the Republican-dominated pretty-much-everything, but appears to have been fairly harmless. He may get tongue-tied, or misspeak occasionally, but he doesn't lie or offend some portion of the electorate every time he opens his mouth.

 

Note that the other guy was President for the four years before and did several memorable things, none of them good.



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christ wrote:
RainDelay wrote:

The alternative is Biden. Of course people are gonna vote for this guy


 I have a huge disdain for all politicians.

 

... but Biden has been President for four years, and I fail to see what he has done to offend people so much. He has been hamstrung by the Republican-dominated pretty-much-everything, but appears to have been fairly harmless. He may get tongue-tied, or misspeak occasionally, but he doesn't lie or offend some portion of the electorate every time he opens his mouth.

 

Note that the other guy was President for the four years before and did several memorable things, none of them good.


 And we have to remember, the President doesn't do everything - he is the figurehead, and he sets the tone, communicates the message etc but he has whole teams of people doing the thinking and the work behind the scenes. They may be unelected but in voting for a President, you are voting for a Presidential team and not just one person. 

      



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Bob in Spain wrote:
RainDelay wrote:

The alternative is Biden. Of course people are gonna vote for this guy


Which brings us to the most incredible conundrum of them all.

Out of 300m+ people, are these really the best two options they can come up with ?


 This!!!!

Sadly running  for president in the United States can be incredibly expensive. For the 2020 election, candidates such as Joe Biden and Donald Trump spent over $1 billion each on their campaigns. In the 2016 election, it was estimated that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump spent a combined total of over $2.4 billion. That puts it out of reach of many - maybe crowdfunding?

 



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Elegant Point wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
RainDelay wrote:

The alternative is Biden. Of course people are gonna vote for this guy


Which brings us to the most incredible conundrum of them all.

Out of 300m+ people, are these really the best two options they can come up with ?


 This!!!!

Sadly running  for president in the United States can be incredibly expensive. For the 2020 election, candidates such as Joe Biden and Donald Trump spent over $1 billion each on their campaigns. In the 2016 election, it was estimated that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump spent a combined total of over $2.4 billion. That puts it out of reach of many - maybe crowdfunding?

 


 Do they really spend much of their own money though ? Isnt most of it fund raised? 



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I mean, our electoral system is awful but the American one is even worse.

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Well that was a disaster. Can they swap Biden out?

Im thinking its gonna be:

Hello Mr Trump, welcome to Australia. Can we check your visa declaration please? Oh, there seems to be a problem, please wait here in the line whilst we check it.

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RainDelay wrote:

I mean, our electoral system is awful but the American one is even worse.


I think this Brookes cartoon in today's Times sums up the state of play on BOTH sides of the Atlantic quite nicely:

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Tom Kessler's thoughts introducing today's Standard newsletter:

Many years ago, I missed out on a job because I lost my temper. It was one of those awful 48-hour interviews with workshops, team tasks and worst of all, a three-course dinner bang in the middle. I didn't scream or get abusive, but I did let my frustration get the better of me about something or other. Given my strong scores in earlier rounds, all I needed to do was smile, exude an air of calm and the gig was mine. I couldn't do it.

I was thinking about this experience as I woke up to the news that Joe Biden effectively set his podium alight at the first US presidential election debate. Biden, 81, also had only one job: to demonstrate to the American people, particularly those living in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona, that he is not too old to be president. The stakes were somewhat higher but the outcome the was same: he couldn't do it.

He and I failed not because we didn't understand the assignment, but because of who we were. I was young and yet to hone a neutral tone and listening eyes. Biden is old, and while he managed to mask it in previous debates and various State of the Union addresses, he couldn't on this occasion. Sometimes we fail, even if we only have one job.

For what it's worth, Donald Trump is a convicted felon who incited an insurrection in the US Capitol to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. From tariffs to alliances, his policies would further undermine the global rules-based order. He is frequently unintelligible. His Supreme Court nominees have overturned the constitutional right to abortion. He has overseen vast conflicts of interests with regards to the presidency and his businesses. He has been found liable for sexual abuse. In other words, there are worse things in the world than appearing old on television.

Still, given the widely understood threat of a second Trump presidency, shouldn't that incentivise the Democratic Party to nominate the best possible candidate? The warning signs were there when Hillary Clinton ran but at least in 2016, few thought Trump could actually win. There is no excuse for such complacency this time around.

To be clear, Biden has been a successful legislator, from passing the historic Inflation Reduction Act to the bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, while overseeing a booming economy and corralling the West in the defence of Ukraine. Yet all this would be seriously, perhaps fatally undermined if his legacy were ultimately a Trump re-run.
 
The notion that Biden might not be the candidate in November seems otherworldly. The steps required to reach such a destination are many and fraught with danger. First, Biden himself would have to voluntarily relinquish the nomination. Then, Vice President Kamala Harris, even less popular than Biden, would have to be persuaded not to run.

Next, the entire party would have to swiftly rally around a single candidate, whether that be Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or anyone else. I mean, have you met the Democratic Party? This is why we have primaries. At the same time, doing nothing seems equally unfathomable.

Last night's events have also provided a fascinating insight into the mindset of partisans, which in this particular bun fight I guess I would have to self-identify as one. There had been so much pushback from Democrats over any reporting, most notably from the Wall Street Journal, that Biden was "showing signs of slipping". Suddenly, in the space of a 90-minute debate, practically everyone seems to agree this is a problem.

Want cheering up? The only good thing that might come out of last night, one former Obama campaign aide suggested, is "if it gets Biden not to run... otherwise, it's bad."



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Just saw "Nancy Pelosi" trending on Twitter and wondered if it meant they'd subbed her in for Biden. Sadly not.

Ok, I know it wouldn't really be a good idea, I know she'd probably be even less popular with the electorate and she's even older than Joe, but she's so impressive (even if I don't always agree with her) and I'd love to see her wipe the floor with Trump in a debate, something I'm sure she's still more than capable of even at the age of 84.

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SC wrote:
I think this Brookes cartoon in today's Times sums up the state of play on BOTH sides of the Atlantic quite nicely:

Hilarious, but depressing at the same time -  how did we/ the USA get there? hmmcryconfusenodisbeliefblankstare

 



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Want to hear something really scary ? Not specifically about Trump but about the US Presidency ?

According to a Supreme Court ruling today, any President of the USA can order the murder of any political opponent and remain innocent from prosecution. Don't believe me ? Read the summary of the ruling here by one of the 3 Supreme Court judges who opposed it - Sonya Sotomayor

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This is truly terrifying.



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