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This doesn't look like lock down to me.

twitter.com/MPSHackney/status/1259128381452533761

I am sure most people are acting as instructed but clearly there are a substantial number who are not.

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People know that until care home and hospital transmission is sorted, the rest is a drop in the ocean. Not to mention that all the people in the photo are extremely low risk. Not saying it's right but ....

On top of which, the 'mixed messages' from the government has been so mixed, that nobody really has much idea what's going on (things were re-opening a week ago, without any official authorisation but nobody seemed to mind, the police said they wouldn't really enforce lockdown this weekend anyway, Boris is reportedly relxing everything on Monday so, people think, what difference does a day or two make.....). Again, it might not be right but it's not completely illogical.

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Oh dear, very worrying park scenes

First of all, any easing of restrictions will be from Monday at the earliest. Second of all, however low risk most of these people are, they are at some risk to themselves and certainly of catching the virus and later passing it on to someone much more vulnerable. It is selfish, stupid and plain wrong behavior.

Yes, there are bigger issues but that doesn't give such people the right to decide what rules and guidelines they will choose to follow. As if health care workers being short of PPE and the care home issues mean that they can gather in the park! We each should do what we can.

Yes, there have been some mixed messages in the last week or so with the govetnment appatently floating lockdown relaxation ideas to guage reaction. But with these largely seeming to have been teceived negatively, if not in some of our more excitable media like the Daily Fail, it looks as if they have been pulling back. As per Dominic Raab on Thursday "any changes in the short term will be modest, smalll, incremental and very carefully monitoted".

I am sure that such social gatherings as seen in parks won't be part of this and I have seen and heard no evidence that the police were relatively OK about them, rather the contrary.

CD has said before in relation to some folk's behavior during this crisis that "people are not stupid." iI am sorry but there is quite a lot of evidence that many are.



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By all accounts, Boris has upset his own party today. They are scheduled to have a virtual cabinet meeting to finalise the plans for moving forwards. However, he has already pre-recorded tonight's broadcast, without consulting with his own senior ministers.

twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1259416232987627521

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Reading through C-19 comments on social media, some people actually seem to think Boris is going to announce that everything's going to be back to normal as of Monday.

It will be interesting to see what he actually has to say. There is no quick fix, IMO anyone 'holding out for a hero' (vaccine) has a long wait!

Finally the penny has dropped - those entering the UK need to be quarantined for 14 days. My antipodean friends can't believe it has taken this long, or the massive fuss that has ensued as a result of the announcement.

As for those asymptomatic, non-essential workers, complaining they can't get a C-19 test slot because 'they have all been reserved for NHS workers' words fail.......

Setting targets for Ag testing for C-19 is ridiculous, the government are just setting themselves  up to fail - and if there aren't 200,000 essential workers/day with C-19 symptoms it's a waste of resources! If you do not currently have C-19 symptoms, an antigen test is not required. Ditto if you think you have already had C-19. An antigen test tells you if you currently have the virus.

To determine if you have had the virus, you would need an antibody test. Currently the antibody tests available are unreliable  - around 3 out of 100 tests are giving a false positive ie 3 people would be told they have had the virus, when in fact they haven't. I am particularly interested in finding out how many people in the UK have had C-19. IMO this value will have a big impact on how we come out of lock down and the second wave of C-19 infection predicted later in the year.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html



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I will wait to see what the PM says tonight before drawing any conclusions, but one thing that is apparent already is that there is clear disagreement between Downing Street and the devolved administrations. Scotland, Wales and NI are already distancing themselves from the new slogan that has been pre-announced.

Nicola Sturgeon has been extremely critical saying that Scotland will stay with "Stay at Home", and that she doesn't know what "Stay Alert" actually means in practical terms.

On testing, it was more than interesting to note that the Telegraph yesterday was reporting that the UK was "secretly" sending 50.000 tests to the USA because it didn't have the capacity.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/09/lab-issues-force-government-fly-50000-coronavirus-tests-us/



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Sunday 10th of May 2020 03:01:38 PM

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indiana wrote:

Oh dear, very worrying park scenes

First of all, any easing of restrictions will be from Monday at the earliest. Second of all, however low risk most of these people are, they are at some risk to themselves and certainly of catching the virus and later passing it on to someone much more vulnerable. It is selfish, stupid and plain wrong behavior.

Yes, there are bigger issues but that doesn't give such people the right to decide what rules and guidelines they will choose to follow. As if health care workers being short of PPE and the care home issues mean that they can gather in the park! We each should do what we can.

Yes, there have been some mixed messages in the last week or so with the govetnment appatently floating lockdown relaxation ideas to guage reaction. But with these largely seeming to have been teceived negatively, if not in some of our more excitable media like the Daily Fail, it looks as if they have been pulling back. As per Dominic Raab on Thursday "any changes in the short term will be modest, smalll, incremental and very carefully monitoted".

I am sure that such social gatherings as seen in parks won't be part of this and I have seen and heard no evidence that the police were relatively OK about them, rather the contrary.

CD has said before in relation to some folk's behavior during this crisis that "people are not stupid." iI am sorry but there is quite a lot of evidence that many are.


 

The papers never seem to publish the photos, though, of over 70s going out and about. The official guidance was for total self-isolation. That has been watered down because it was unpopular with the voter base. Which is unfortunate because it was exactly that voter base it was trying to protect. But it never figured in the media push and I see way more over 70s out and about where I am than younger people hanging around in groups. 

I don't think the people are stupid by going out a day early (I'm not doing it, I hasten to say). But, again, people are fed up of just being given slogans. 



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We have been running approximately 3 weeks behind Italy and Spain re deaths peaks and then reducing daily death totals.

Now is most certainly not the time to close our actions in time line terms or even supercede some of their measures from a much poorer current base.

With our daily death total still over 500 a day on average ( from its approximate 900 a day peak in mid April ) and the r reproduction figure reported as anything from 0.5 to 0.9 ( so possibly far too close to 1 ), now is the time to be steadfast and patient, particularly the government, and not throw away much of what we have clawed back with the lockdown, belatedly put in place as it may have been. Let's not potentially truly test NHS capacity again, just let's not. And let's learn from the experiences of others in more of a reasonable position to ease restrictions.

Some of the more cautious sounds coming from the UK government over the last few days are of some encouragement for now. Hopefully any relaxation steps will indeed be at most small, incremental and very carefully monitored ) but we wait to hear from Johnson. Whatever, Sturgeon seens to me to be much more in tune with both the more general mood and the messages that should continue to be sent out.

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Coup Droit wrote:
indiana wrote:

Oh dear, very worrying park scenes

First of all, any easing of restrictions will be from Monday at the earliest. Second of all, however low risk most of these people are, they are at some risk to themselves and certainly of catching the virus and later passing it on to someone much more vulnerable. It is selfish, stupid and plain wrong behavior.

Yes, there are bigger issues but that doesn't give such people the right to decide what rules and guidelines they will choose to follow. As if health care workers being short of PPE and the care home issues mean that they can gather in the park! We each should do what we can.

Yes, there have been some mixed messages in the last week or so with the govetnment appatently floating lockdown relaxation ideas to guage reaction. But with these largely seeming to have been teceived negatively, if not in some of our more excitable media like the Daily Fail, it looks as if they have been pulling back. As per Dominic Raab on Thursday "any changes in the short term will be modest, smalll, incremental and very carefully monitoted".

I am sure that such social gatherings as seen in parks won't be part of this and I have seen and heard no evidence that the police were relatively OK about them, rather the contrary.

CD has said before in relation to some folk's behavior during this crisis that "people are not stupid." iI am sorry but there is quite a lot of evidence that many are.


 

The papers never seem to publish the photos, though, of over 70s going out and about. The official guidance was for total self-isolation. That has been watered down because it was unpopular with the voter base. Which is unfortunate because it was exactly that voter base it was trying to protect. But it never figured in the media push and I see way more over 70s out and about where I am than younger people hanging around in groups. 

I don't think the people are stupid by going out a day early (I'm not doing it, I hasten to say). But, again, people are fed up of just being given slogans. 


Not a day early, but weeks ot indeed months too early as I suspect ( and hope ) that we will find out from the government. I really don't see social distancing being relaxed to anything like that extent. 



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What has fundamentally changed though from mid-March? For other countries as well as ours?

We still have no cure, no vaccine, no substantial testing capacity (UK), nor any contract tracing.

Nor do we have sufficent immunity in the population to be anywhere near 60% or so.

So what is going to stop the infection rates simply going up again? In Italy, France or us, whether we stop now or later?



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Coup Droit wrote:

What has fundamentally changed though from mid-March? For other countries as well as ours?

We still have no cure, no vaccine, no substantial testing capacity (UK), nor any contract tracing.

Nor do we have sufficent immunity in the population to be anywhere near 60% or so.

So what is going to stop the infection rates simply going up again? In Italy, France or us, whether we stop now or later?


 Yep, disaster waiting to happen 



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Coup Droit wrote:

What has fundamentally changed though from mid-March? For other countries as well as ours?

We still have no cure, no vaccine, no substantial testing capacity (UK), nor any contract tracing.

Nor do we have sufficent immunity in the population to be anywhere near 60% or so.

So what is going to stop the infection rates simply going up again? In Italy, France or us, whether we stop now or later?


What you do is markedly improve testing along with carefullly and prudently looking to relax restrictions over time ( from ideally a smaller base of infections ) while carefully monitoring and judging the effects of each loosening. Yes, we will need to start moving the economy more, which will need  changes. But say simply gathering together in the park on a nice day is not helping the economy and is unnecessary.

What you don't go for is mass relaxations. It's a mess anyway so just throw open the doors now?! That would be sheer madness IMHO. Especially without a cure or vaccIne, we need to control things for a long time to come. 



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indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

What has fundamentally changed though from mid-March? For other countries as well as ours?

We still have no cure, no vaccine, no substantial testing capacity (UK), nor any contract tracing.

Nor do we have sufficent immunity in the population to be anywhere near 60% or so.

So what is going to stop the infection rates simply going up again? In Italy, France or us, whether we stop now or later?


What you do is markedly improve testing along with carefullly and prudently looking to relax restrictions over time ( from ideally a smaller base of infections ) while carefully monitoring and judging the effects of each loosening. Yes, we will need to start moving the economy more, which will need  changes. But say simply gathering together in the park on a nice day is not helping the economy and is unnecessary.

What you don't go for is mass relaxations. It's a mess anyway so just throw open the doors now?! That would be sheer madness IMHO. Especially without a cure or vaccIne, we need to control things for a long time to come. 


 And no playing pro sports until this is well under control. Dresden have also locked down their team, so how can germany or we contemplate starting football again. 



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But saying markedly improve testing is like p***ing in the wind.
My point is we should have done that ages ago.
But haven't.
So that's not part of the equation now, unfortunately.
We need to protect the vulnerable. But there is no way that relaxing rules will do that. Not tomorrow. Not in two weeks. So it is the vulnerable who need to protect themselves.


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Tweet of the day goes to someone responding to Gary Neville.

Gary Neville.

Sports allowed from Wednesday within your own households. @SkySports have just opened the bidding for a Phil v Gary 1 v 1 in a garden centre !

Response

0-0 after three weeks



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