Coronavirus - tennis related wef 4th May

flamingowings · All-time great

Coronavirus

junior · Intermediate Club Player

Never mind the tennis players, in the game of tennis :/

-- Edited by junior on Monday 9th of March 2020 07:01:58 PM

HarryGem · Club Coach

The next few weeks are goign to be key. Whilst I note the organisers of Indian Wells have not completely ruled out staging the competition later in the year it is hard to see where it might fit into the schedule.

Also difficult to get away from the whole ranking system being completely compromised. If players are unable to even try and defend ranking points gained last year because of this then some will be seriously disadvantaged.

Even at the lower levels of the game I see all the ITF tournaments in Israel have now been cancelled for this month to add to those in China, Japan and Italy.

Right now there must be a possibilty that Miami, Charleston and Stuttgart will be cancelled or played behind closed doors on the women's side of the game.

Madadman · Top national player

So I see they are allowing players to stay there for this week using the hospitality and also train. Surely they could have carried on with the tournament behind closed doors. Might have had to lower the prize money but Im sure the players would have understood.

indiana · Tennis legend

HarryGem wrote:
The next few weeks are goign to be key. Whilst I note the organisers of Indian Wells have not completely ruled out staging the competition later in the year it is hard to see where it might fit into the schedule.

Also difficult to get away from the whole ranking system being completely compromised. If players are unable to even try and defend ranking points gained last year because of this then some will be seriously disadvantaged.

Even at the lower levels of the game I see all the ITF tournaments in Israel have now been cancelled for this month to add to those in China, Japan and Italy.

Right now there must be a possibilty that Miami, Charleston and Stuttgart will be cancelled or played behind closed doors on the women's side of the game.

I wouldn't say that the rankings system is anything like "completely compromised" in the short term. All these points not able to be defended had to come off anyway, and anyone could have won big points this year, although I guess some players have their favourite tournaments. The rankings will still be based on the last 12 months' tournaments played.

But yes there will be a much bigger issue if fewer and fewer opportunities to accumulate points, particularly in the biggest tournanents.

Then again, the rankings system effects should hardly be up there in the priority of considerations.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, I don't see any real problem with rankings.

It's the same for everyone - it's not as though the US, for instance, had decided to stop all incoming flights and carried on with the tournaments, only with home players and those on US soil before the airports shut.

All players will simply have a gap, like a training break, and their best 16 (or whatever) will still count.

Of course, if it happens to completely annilhilate the clay court season, for instance, but come back in time for grass, then the rankings will be slightly distorted. But it will work through, as it does for individual players who have to miss certain key events.

Like flamingowings, I also feel very sorry for the less visible people who have businesses that will be badly affected by the knock-on effects.

flamingowings · All-time great

junior wrote:
Never mind the tennis players, in the game of tennis :/

-- Edited by junior on Monday 9th of March 2020 07:01:58 PM

It's not just about the players - an opinion I expanded on.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

As things stand, Miami aiming to go ahead, despite having far more cases of Covid-19 in the area.

twitter.com/MiamiOpen/status/1237100585268248580

junior · Intermediate Club Player

flamingowings wrote:

It's not just about the players - an opinion I expanded on.

Never mind that my lad, I wish to complain about this parrot. You're absolutely right its not solely about the players, however the businesses etc will continue for the other 51 other weeks of the year the same, this week and the tennis tournament is predominantly about the tennis players, no players no tournament.

Status Quo · Intermediate Club Player

Bob in Spain wrote:
As things stand, Miami aiming to go ahead, despite having far more cases of Covid-19 in the area.

twitter.com/MiamiOpen/status/1237100585268248580

Remembering when all those Florida resident American players refused to go to the Brazil Olympics because of Zika.

ROSAMUND · Futures level

HarryGem wrote:
The next few weeks are goign to be key. Whilst I note the organisers of Indian Wells have not completely ruled out staging the competition later in the year it is hard to see where it might fit into the schedule.

Also difficult to get away from the whole ranking system being completely compromised. If players are unable to even try and defend ranking points gained last year because of this then some will be seriously disadvantaged.

Even at the lower levels of the game I see all the ITF tournaments in Israel have now been cancelled for this month to add to those in China, Japan and Italy.

Right now there must be a possibilty that Miami, Charleston and Stuttgart will be cancelled or played behind closed doors on the women's side of the game.

Somebody had worked out on another forum if no ranking points were given until the US Open what the top 15 seeding would be. Surprisingly the 3rd seed would be Sabalenka who has only got beyond the 2nd round on 2 occasions in her 10 Grand Slams. The most disadvantaged player currently ranked in the top 15 would be Johanna Konta who would have to qualify. This is mostly because last years clay results would drop off.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

ROSAMUND wrote:
HarryGem wrote:
The next few weeks are goign to be key. Whilst I note the organisers of Indian Wells have not completely ruled out staging the competition later in the year it is hard to see where it might fit into the schedule.

Also difficult to get away from the whole ranking system being completely compromised. If players are unable to even try and defend ranking points gained last year because of this then some will be seriously disadvantaged.

Even at the lower levels of the game I see all the ITF tournaments in Israel have now been cancelled for this month to add to those in China, Japan and Italy.

Right now there must be a possibilty that Miami, Charleston and Stuttgart will be cancelled or played behind closed doors on the women's side of the game.
Somebody had worked out on another forum if no ranking points were given until the US Open what the top 15 seeding would be. Surprisingly the 3rd seed would be Sabalenka who has only got beyond the 2nd round on 2 occasions in her 10 Grand Slams. The most disadvantaged player currently ranked in the top 15 would be Johanna Konta who would have to qualify. This is mostly because last years clay results would drop off.

She'd be nowhere near having to qualify, she'd still be in the top 50 because she'd still have the 430 points from the US Open

https://www.openerarankings.com/WTAHome?RankDate=24-08-2020

https://www.openerarankings.com/WTAHome?RankDate=31-08-2020

However, if there was no US Open, and Jo's 430 points fell off before she could hit another ball, she'd fall out of the top 200, and even be a couple of places lower than Raducanu

https://www.openerarankings.com/WTAHome?RankDate=07-09-2020

Madadman · Top national player

It will be interesting to see what happens on both tours. I guess it will become a bit murky if you take a week were there are 3 atp tournaments 250s/500s and then 2 get cancelled. You then start to get a lopsided tour. On another note players will now see this week(IW) as a rest. Higher ranked players are more likely to enter the 250s which will have a knock on affect. If too many tournaments get cancelled then surely they have to take a snapshot of the rankings at a certain time for players to use as a PR or something.

Lee · Lower Club Player

emmsie69 wrote:
Schools should not be closed, children seem relatively safe from this virus and it may benefit them to get it while young in the same way its best to get chickenpox when young. We are also then faces with fit and healthy children out and about all day rather than contained in schools for most of the day. Far better for families and friends to limit contact with their elderly friends and relatives.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Monday 9th of March 2020 07:20:25 AM

the problem is that children contact many other people in a given day, are not particularly hygiene fussy, are less likely to show any signs of illness (not possible to show symptoms by definition), and grandparents would rather risk catching the virus than be isolated from their grandkids.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lee wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
Schools should not be closed, children seem relatively safe from this virus and it may benefit them to get it while young in the same way its best to get chickenpox when young. We are also then faces with fit and healthy children out and about all day rather than contained in schools for most of the day. Far better for families and friends to limit contact with their elderly friends and relatives.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Monday 9th of March 2020 07:20:25 AM
the problem is that children contact many other people in a given day, are not particularly hygiene fussy, are less likely to show any signs of illness (not possible to show symptoms by definition), and grandparents would rather risk catching the virus than be isolated from their grandkids.

Indeed, maybe a quarter of a schools population is adults, teachers admin staff, kitchen and cleaning staff, exam invigilators. Exam invigilator teams of course work during specific periods but they are often older, semi retired or even retired folks. My wife is one, most of her colleagues are mid 50s and into 60s and one or two early 70s. Exams dont run without invigilators to manage them, and the group of trained and experienced ones are more vulnerable than kids to this virus.