Foreign Dependency

indiana · Tennis legend

Foreign Dependency

the addict · Tennis legend

"For this price Anabel Croft herself better be making me cakes and resurrecting my family pet, its outrageous"

Anyone would think she was famous, or on TV or something. Wish I could charge those sort of rates in my (non-tennis) job.

junior · Intermediate Club Player

the addict wrote:
"For this price Anabel Croft herself better be making me cakes and resurrecting my family pet, its outrageous"

Anyone would think she was famous, or on TV or something. Wish I could charge those sort of rates in my (non-tennis) job.

yeah and you might have more actual worthwhile knowledge in your job than she has regarding tennis, as goes for Castle and Lloyd (send all of them back to GMTV)

I think its a ridiculous price for her and only very old or confused people would take it up, it makes mockery of our sport, however within tennis I've seen much worse

-- Edited by junior on Thursday 20th of February 2020 03:16:17 PM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

That's akin to what 1800 a day for an 8 hour day. I'd rather get Deloittes in at that price.

junior · Intermediate Club Player

JonH comes home wrote:
That's akin to what 1800 a day for an 8 hour day. I'd rather get Deloittes in at that price.

its 150%-200% the price of a whole week in one of the academies (sanchez-casal, bruguera) which have previous success helping and creating players (flights and residency included). Seems a very high opinion of ones self, no real knowledge how the rest of the tennis world is working and also completely against all the LTA schemes and any past players or current coaches obligation which should be make tennis available for all. Pretty shocking that this is allowed to function at the NTC, hypothetically they would be taking facilities away from current prospects for this.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

junior wrote:
"Spring Term Lesson Fee: £242.00 per child (1 hour class) / £363.00 per child (1.5 hour class)"
I feel many things about this; disappointment, depression, humour, disbelief are some of them. This is one of the biggest swindles I've ever seen. Zuckerberg would be proud.

For this price Anabel Croft herself better be making me cakes and resurrecting my family pet, its outrageous

-- Edited by junior on Thursday 20th of February 2020 12:54:55 PM

I know this is being ridiculed and if other people's interpretation of it is correct, then rightly so.

But I read this as £242 for 1 hour per week throughout the Spring Term. If that is over 12 weeks, for example, this is about £20 per hour. Am I the one misunderstanding ?

junior · Intermediate Club Player

But I read this as £242 for 1 hour per week throughout the Spring Term. If that is over 12 weeks, for example, this is about £20 per hour. Am I the one misunderstanding ?

For the sake of tennis I honestly hope you're right and I'm mistaken Bob, however, 20 pounds doesn't really get you that far in a lot of clubs in England these days, its standard court hire rate (never mind the price of a court in the NTC), or you might get an hour hit with a junior of some level or a mini tennis session with a young coaching assistant. Can't see the Croft academy offering this up as one of their main bargains, as it was the first thing I saw on the prices page.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

junior wrote:

But I read this as £242 for 1 hour per week throughout the Spring Term. If that is over 12 weeks, for example, this is about £20 per hour. Am I the one misunderstanding ?
For the sake of tennis I honestly hope you're right and I'm mistaken Bob, however, 20 pounds doesn't really get you that far in a lot of clubs in England these days, its standard court hire rate (never mind the price of a court in the NTC), or you might get an hour hit with a junior of some level or a mini tennis session with a young coaching assistant. Can't see the Croft academy offering this up as one of their main bargains, as it was the first thing I saw on the prices page.

The "12 weeks" was an example. It may be 10 weeks or just 8 weeks. It may be lessons in a group of 4 or individual. There is not enough info to make a full judgement.

I have simply read this as the "Spring Term Fee" for the 1 hour lesson option is .... interpreting that as the price for the entire term.

Would be interesting to clarify exactly what it means, because if others are correct and this is an hourly fee, it truly is obscene.

Tennpar · Strong Club Player

junior wrote:

But I read this as £242 for 1 hour per week throughout the Spring Term. If that is over 12 weeks, for example, this is about £20 per hour. Am I the one misunderstanding ?
For the sake of tennis I honestly hope you're right and I'm mistaken Bob, however, 20 pounds doesn't really get you that far in a lot of clubs in England these days, its standard court hire rate (never mind the price of a court in the NTC), or you might get an hour hit with a junior of some level or a mini tennis session with a young coaching assistant. Can't see the Croft academy offering this up as one of their main bargains, as it was the first thing I saw on the prices page.

I'm with Bob on this one - I think this is the fee per term.

the addict · Tennis legend

I looked up the website and after hunting around, it does appear to be £242 for 12 weeks. Not certain how many kids are in a session though.

indiana · Tennis legend

Err very much less Gosh.

junior · Intermediate Club Player

the addict wrote:
I looked up the website and after hunting around, it does appear to be £242 for 12 weeks. Not certain how many kids are in a session though.

looks like i got the wrong end of the stick, I do apologise to all and any member of the Anabel croft academy, to the right player that is the cheapest tennis training one might ever receive.

EddietheEagle · County player

That's not one-to-one coaching. That's several children on a court.

Back in 2017 John Peters, journalist and coach, calculated it at £22 an hour per child for what in effect is a group lesson.

www.standard.co.uk/business/how-the-economics-of-tennis-are-holding-back-britain-s-talent-a3576171.html

the addict · Tennis legend

That article says it's 4 children per session. (Quite a long way down the page)

EddietheEagle · County player

As a slight schizophrenic deviation. Just picking up on one of John Peter's themes is what he sees as over reliance on organised club tennis. Children and parents largely get roped into these squad sessions now during term time which, not only cost, but from my own observations, are sometimes of questionable value in terms of progressing a child's ability to play. Squad tennis becomes the be all and end all of how a child learns to play the game (apart from, of course, match plays and tournaments which also cost) and it becomes increasingly more difficult to organise unstructured practice for children at other times. And if you choose not to play the club coach's game, you may. Lord forbid, even find that a hindrance in your child moving up the food chain into say county training. And how many times do you ever see a county coach turn up unannounced on his own initiative for a quick look in?

The whole thing has becomes a money-making racquet. Parents who lack a tennis background or don't play may not spot any of this and remain none the wiser. Eventually it all goes flat. The child never really progresses and so we see, as already noted in other topics, increasing numbers of youngsters dropping out the sport altogether.

When it comes to improvement, there is no real substitute for one-to-one individual coaching. Thast can come from a good, bog-standard British tennis coach who knows his development stuff.