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RE: Britain as a men's doubles powerhouse


Elegant Point wrote:

Dubai provided the perfect opportunity to test the hypothesis mooted by Vandenburg that:
'these players are not even that good. When Davis cup or Olympics comes up and the worlds top 30 singles players start to play they wipe the floor with these doubles specialists '

Match between Djokovic/Cilic #1 and #36 ranked singles and specialist doubles pair Salisbury/Ram was a convincing 6-2, 6-2 win for Salisbury and Ram.

The hypothesis is rejected smile  (notes Cilic is just outside the top 30 and n=1)


 Like your sample size   



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Only place I could see to put this.

Indian wells doubles entry-

Wawrinka and zverev
Goffin and schwartzman
Dimitrov and thiem
FAA and fognini
Khachanov and rublev
Mannarino and monfils.

Joe and rajeev are 2nd ranked pair, jamie and neal, dan and kyrgios and luke and ben are all in the alternates list, as are pospisil and sock

Some field.


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Dan and Nick, every umpires nightmares.

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Elegant Point wrote:


The hypothesis is rejected smile  (notes Cilic is just outside the top 30 and n=1)


 Hi elegant point, 

 

Unfortunately no hypothesis is able to be rejected by this, even you yourself must be aware of comparing two vastly different scenarios to prove your point? Davis Cup/Olympics vs ATP 500. 

Vast differences being playing for one's country which obviously is very important for all players, a match (for example Djokovic chooses if he wishes to play more than the captain) with a known friend/colleague who they might have played together with several times before, it being the crucial match to win the tie etc etc. As we saw with Rafa in Davis Cup or Novak in ATP cup final where him and Victor beat (two singles players) a decent level doubles team. 

Comparing to a second or third round in an ATP 500 where if the players weren't put together by the tournament, they either haven't played that much together to date, or it proved the logical thing to be able to enter the doubles draws due to only select number of places being available. I personally don't see Cilic and Novak as the ideal doubles pairing (maybe they're good friends, Croatians and Serbians are often close; Novak and Goran for example) but it was an outing people maybe got to see the top 2 singles players playing a match they might not of been able to see otherwise, so everything good.

Do the singles players have to play the doubles event? No. Are they the first ones to withdraw from it due to tiredness and unwillingness to play if they deem it appropriate: yes. I seem to remember Novak playing doubles event in this same tournament about 4 or so years ago where he played with his brother Marco who was about 400 ATP at the time, would you believe this to of happen with any other ATP 400 player, or was because of his surname? would you believe this to have been a Davis cup final worthy match? If so, much like next week where someone posted the doubles pairings, a lot of them look very much like they were put together by the organisation (except maybe Karen and Rublev), why are a lot of the singles players playing doubles next week as well: money, not likely looking to win the whole tournament considering they are singles players and there for the singles event while doubles is obviously very interesting without this input of the singles players draws would be smaller and prize money would lower, so benefit for all really. I expect the LTA is probably singing how Salisbury beat Novak etc etc and that's something Joe (I think its Joe no?) will always be able to say he did, but under what conditions?

 

Either way I reject your rejection of the null hypothesis smile



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Marko Djokovic has never been that highly ranked in singles and his WC into Dubai was 2012 - although your point stands. Stefanos Tsitsipas' younger brother (an ITF player) has also had some entries into tournaments, Andy Murray took a WC into a US tournament and made an agreement that Katie Swan should also receive entry into the same tournament (I think) - Katie is under his management.

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Junior re hypothesis  - it was an attempt at humour biggrin  Thought people would get that - LOL Indianas comment on sample size  

On a serious note, delighted by the great start to 2020 for Salisbury and Ram 



-- Edited by Elegant Point on Saturday 29th of February 2020 02:17:05 PM

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