US College Signings and General College Chat 2020/21

the addict · Tennis legend

US College Signings and General College Chat 2020/21

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
I looked at how the rankings were calculated - and gave up. It's complicated, based on the ranking of the opponent, win/loss points blah, blah. Too much for me to figure out at the end of a working day !

And it appears to run from September from scratch

I think that answers my question! smile biggrin

Elegant Point · Satellite level

the addict wrote:
I looked at how the rankings were calculated - and gave up. It's complicated, based on the ranking of the opponent, win/loss points blah, blah. Too much for me to figure out at the end of a working day !

And it appears to run from September from scratch

As the addict says, complicated - The ITA formula for singles, doubles, and teams works as follows: Points from x best wins divided by [Points from all losses + the countable matches/wins for that particular ranking period] = overall average. If player had a 2 wins over No. 50 and No. 80 (and several unranked wins) and 2 losses 1 to No. 40 and an unranked loss, his/her average would work as follows: 62 points from wins divided by [1.90 losses + 5 countable matches] = 8.98 average

basically, sum points values of wins/total number of matches and points lost

Q: Does last season count for anything? A player's reputation? A players/doubles teams preseason ranking?

A: No, each season everyone starts at 00. The computer is blind to a player's reputation or performances from previous seasons.

However Spring is all about dual match play......

TEAM RANKINGS

Q: How do the team computer rankings work? A: The main thing to remember for the first team computer ranking in March is that it is administered in an entirely different method than the rankings published during the first five weeks of the spring season.

........As far as I understand it singles and doubles ranking points are awarded based on the position you play in the team and the conference you play in. At the end of Spring there is a team NCAA tournament and a non team singles and doubles tournament.

thoughts on the ITA system - there are many strong players at the bottom of Power conferences who don't get a chance to play singles for their team or those who play at the top of a MM team but don't get to play Power teams, or were close to beating a top 50 ranked player but did not get to finish the match because the team played clutch (stopped unfinished matches as soon as team won 4 points) so these players will not qualify for the NCAA individual tournament. Also max 2 players per team qualify for the individual tournament.

http://itatennis.activecm.net/Assets/old/ITA+Rankings+FAQ.pdf

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Friday 7th of February 2020 12:13:28 PM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Elegant Point wrote:
the addict wrote:
I looked at how the rankings were calculated - and gave up. It's complicated, based on the ranking of the opponent, win/loss points blah, blah. Too much for me to figure out at the end of a working day !

And it appears to run from September from scratch
As the addict says, complicated  - The ITA formula for singles, doubles, and teams works as follows: Points from x best wins divided by [Points from all losses + the countable matches/wins for that particular ranking period] = overall average. If player had a 2 wins over No. 50 and No. 80 (and several unranked wins) and 2 losses  1 to No. 40 and an unranked loss, his/her average would work as follows: 62 points from wins divided by [1.90 losses + 5 countable matches] = 8.98 average
basically, sum points values of wins/total number of matches and points lost
Q: Does last season count for anything?  A player's reputation? A players/doubles teams preseason ranking?
A: No, each season everyone starts at 00. The computer is blind to a player's reputation or performances from previous seasons.
However Spring is all about dual match play......
TEAM RANKINGS
Q: How do the team computer rankings work? A: The main thing to remember for the first team computer ranking in March is that it is administered in an entirely different method than the rankings published during the first five weeks of the spring season.
........As far as I understand it singles and doubles ranking points are awarded based on the position you play in the team and the conference you play in. At the end of Spring there is a team NCAA tournament and a non team singles and doubles tournament.
thoughts on the ITA system - there are many strong players at the bottom of Power conferences who don't get a chance to play singles for their team or those who play at the top of a MM team but don't get to play Power teams, or were close to beating a top 50 ranked player but did not get to finish the match because the team played clutch (stopped unfinished matches as soon as team won 4 points) so these players will not qualify for the NCAA individual tournament. Also max 2 players per team qualify for the individual tournament.
http://itatennis.activecm.net/Assets/old/ITA+Rankings+FAQ.pdf

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Friday 7th of February 2020 12:13:28 PM

Thank EP. So that is interesting - the NCAA tournament therefore isnt necessarily the best 64 players (or whatever it is) playing College tennis at the time? I realise even in pro tennis, they best 128 dont get to play a slam , but even so, it seems this system wont necessarily deliver the best players. And as a consequence, Paul Jubb winning it last season doesnt necessarily mean we should regard him as one of the best in College tennis - or should we?

Elegant Point · Satellite level

The 45th annual ITA Division I National Mens Team Indoor Championship Presented by Oracle showcases sixteen of the top mens Division I teams in the four-day tournament to crown an indoor national champion.

Schedule Friday, February 14

Main Draw

(11) Michigan v (6) Texas A&M 9:00 AM Courts 1-4, 7, 8
(3) Texas v (14) UCLA 9:00 AM Courts 5, 6, 9-12
(7) Stanford v (10) NC State 12:00 PM Courts 1-4, 7, 8
(15) TCU v (2) USC 12:00 PM Courts 5, 6, 9-12
(5) Florida v (12) Columbia 3:30 PM Courts 1-4, 7, 8
(13) South Carolina v (4) North Carolina 3:30 PM Courts 5, 6, 9-12
(9) Wake Forest v (8) Baylor 6:30 PM Courts 1-4, 7, 8
(1) Ohio State v (16) Wisconsin 6:30 PM Courts 5, 6, 9-12

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/events/d1-mens-indoors

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Wednesday 12th of February 2020 05:34:21 PM

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Wisconsin is hosting the 2020 Oracle ITA Division I National Mens Team Indoor Championship, which starts today.

live stream https://uwbadgers.com/sports/2016/11/1/tennis-video-streams.aspx

live score http://scores.tennisticker.de/usa/ita/mi2020/lp.html?lid=224

https://uwbadgers.com/sports/2019/12/20/ita-championship-central.aspx

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Day 1 recap ITA men's indoor - website not very helpful & I couldn't find a link to the composite individual player results and some details are different to team/ ITA sites so apologies if missed any Brits or any inconsistency

Main Draw

(11) Michigan def (6) Texas A&M 4-3
Barney Smith/J Agular lost #4 A Fenty/M Silimar 7-6(5)
(3) Texas def (14) UCLA 4-2
(7) Stanford def (10) NC State 4-3
(2) USC def (15) TCU 4-2
#55 Alastair Gray v #24 B Holt 5-7, 6-6, 7-8 unfinished
#74 Jacob Fernley lost #15 M Bulis 4-6, 6-4, 6-1
#34 A Gray/J Fernley lost #58 D Cuckierman/R Smith 6-4
The Horned Frogs, strong indoors, jumped out to an early winning the doubles point against No. 1 USC. "The Trojans came back in singles with victories from Dostanic and Bulis. Brandon Holt and Daniel Cukierman raced against each other to see who would clinch the win for the Trojans. Holt came from behind in the second set to force a tiebreaker. Meanwhile, Cukierman on the court next to Holt worked methodically in the third. No. 1 Cukierman proved to be too much for Fomba and won 7-5, 4-6, 6-1"
(5) Florida def (12) Columbia 4-0
(4) North Carolina def (13) South Carolina 4-2 NC have been strong this year., so an interesting result for them
#50 Paul Jubb lost W Blunberg 6-2, 3-6, 6-3
#115 Connor Thompson def #80 J peck 7-5, 6-3
Paul Jubb/Connor Thompson unfinished 4-3
"In a border battle, the north walked away with a win. The Tar Heels claimed the doubles point and another in singles off a Cernoch win. Thomas Brown and Connor Thomson put the Game****s on the board with their wins. Next, Blumberg took down defending NCAA singles champion, Paul Jubb, to tally the third point for the Heels. With the win within grasps, Carolina looked to Sigouin. He clinched the match 7-4 (4), 6-3"
(9) Wake Forest def (8) Baylor 4-1
Finn Bass played at team pos 3 doubles and lost 6-2. Allegedly a lacklustre Baylor have recruited "student-athlete" Jenson Brooksby to play college tennis for them Spring term......... And Wake Forest have 18 players on the roster
(1) Ohio State def (16) Wisconsin 4-0

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Saturday 15th of February 2020 12:50:10 PM

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Sunday 16th of February 2020 07:55:07 AM

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Monday 17th of February 2020 07:34:01 PM

Elegant Point · Satellite level

ITA D1 mens indoor championships

With all of the Brits out of the main draw here are day 2 results for the Back Draw

#7 Texas A&M 4, #16 UCLA 1

5. Barnaby Smith (TAMU) def. Patrick Zahraj (UCLA) 6-4, 6-2

1. Juan Carlos Aguilar/Barnaby Smith (TAMU) def. Govind Nanda/Keegan Smith (UCLA) 6-3

South Carolina 2 Columbia 4

No. 50 Paul Jubb (SC) vs. No. 20 Jack Lin (CU) 6-2, 1-6, 3-3 DNF

4 Adam Ambrozy (CU) def. No. 115 Connor Thomson (SC) 6-4, 7-6(3)

2. 1. No. 36 Paul Jubb/Connor Thomson (SC) vs. Adam Ambrozy/Rain Pandole (CU) 6-3

TCU 4 NC State 0

1. No. 34 Alastair Gray/Jacob Fearnley (TCU) def. No. 12 Babelis/Barkai (NCST): 6-3

1. No. 55 Alastair Gray (TCU) def. No. 77 Alexis Galarneau (NCST): 6-4, 6-2
4. No. 74 Jacob Fearnley (TCU) vs. Rafael Izquierdo Luque (NCST): 6-2, 3-6, 2-3

"Alastair Gray had an A+ performance. At No. 1 singles, Gray was businesslike in his dispatching of Galarneau from NC State.. Gray took control of his service games in the opening set, winning 28 of his 34 service points (82.4 percent) to hold serve throughout. He earned his break in the first game and rode out the remainder of play to gain a one-set lead. In the second, Gray caught fire, winning 16 of 21 points after the opening game to jump in front two breaks, 4-1"

Baylor 4 Wisconsin 0

5. Finn Bass (B) v Robins Parts (WS) 0 UF

3. Finn Bass/A Boitan v R Krill/m Viela (WS) 6-3

Wondering why so may Americans choose to sit on the bench of a power team (eg WF with 18 on the roster) rather than go to a MM or 'lesser ranked' Power team and compete regularly in the dual match season?

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Mens ITA D1 backdraw Sun 16th

#11TCU 4 #7 TAMU 0

1.No. #34 Alastair Gray/Jacob Fearnley (TCU) vs. Aguilar/Smith (TAMU): 4-5
1. #55 Alastair Gray (TCU) vs. #14 Hady Habib (TAMU): 6-2, 6-6 UF
4. #74 Jacob Fearnley (TCU) def. Noah Schachter (TAMU): 1-6, 6-2, 7-5
5. Bertus Kruger (TCU) vs. Barnaby Smith (TAMU): 6-2, 4-6, 1-0 UF

I watch a few games in this match up as one of the players trained with my son & I was interested to see how hes progressing............ I was surprised how omnipresent the Texas A&M coach was on the no 1 singles court Ive frequently seen coaches talk to the players at change of ends but for the bit I watched this coach was hovering around the baseline and commenting after every point!!

#14 SC 4 W 1

3. Robert Krill/Martim Vilela (Wis) def. Paul Jubb/Beau Pelletier (SC) 6-4
1, #50 Paul Jubb (SC) def. Colton Chase (Wis) 6-1, 6-0

#12 Baylor #9 Columbia

3. Finn Bass/A Boltan (B) lost A Ambrozy/A Kotzen 4-6
5 Fin Bass def A Kotzen 7-6, 6-4

The ITA website isn't very user friendly and I could only find a pictogram for how the main draw was progressing and TBH I wasn't that interested as all the Brits were in the back draw. Link below

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/events/d1-mens-indoors/#draw

Tennpar · Strong Club Player

Agree EP, difficult to find much information.
In the women's event, Stanford won through 2 rounds to reach the semis with Emily Arbuthnott and Angelica Blake both playing well up the order in singles and doubles.
Florida State, featuring Sasha Hill and Vic Allen, won one main draw match to reach the quarters.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Oracle/ITA Division I Mens Team Rankings February 18, 2020
The first computerized rankings for Division I this season were released by the ITA. Coming off an Indoor national championship, the USC Trojans held steady at No. 1. National Indoor semifinalist rose up the rankings nine spots to No. 4. National finalist North Carolina moved up two spots to No. 3 overall.

By conference in top 50
11 SEC (5)
10 ACC (5)
6 Big Ten (3)
All 6 Big 12 (3)
5 Pac 12 (4)
5 Ivy League (4) (all in top 28!! Wow!)
4 American (1)
2 CUSA
1 Summit League

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2020/02/18/oracle-ita-division-i-mens-team-rankings-february-18-2020/

If you are interested in teams outside the top 50, Masseyratings.com contains a wealth of data, some interesting features eg matchup tool (possibly more accurate for women's ??) and has a reputation for being fairly accurate.

Interesting to look beyond the top 50 men's teams...... Drake used to be a strong recruiter of male Brits and ranked around the top 50. 2020 Spring season are 2-10 down (W-L) and have plummeted ~ 100 places in the latest Massey rankings. Not sure what has changed??? heard only good things about the players, team and uni is strong on the academic side - quote from Drake Nation tennis 'I think our pipeline of Brits that started with guys like James McKie and Robin Goodman has gone away, and I don't think we've picked up guys who match the talent level of 2013 and 2015'.

https://www.masseyratings.com/ctm/ncaa-d1/ratings

The Oracle/ITA men's singles and doubles rankings

were released on Tuesday. https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/d1-men/ Unsurprisingly, not much movement from those posted a few weeks ago on page 1

Oakland2002 · All-time great

The whole ranking system is totally skewed and dependent on opportunity. You will grow the best rank playing number 1 in a power conference, even in a major tournament if you squeeze in from a weaker conference it is likely the draw wont be that favourable. All that said Paul Jubb through his career has played the best players in conference playing no 1. Playing in the most powerful football conference the programmes are wealthy and many of the best players in college tennis are in the SEC and geographically adjacent ACC (who regularly play SEC sides out of conference). He had a favourable SF draw attention the NCAA last year but without doubt Paul was one of the very best college tennis players last year and in that group of 5-6 with a chance of progressing to pro tennis by making their presence felt in singles on the challenger tour. By anyones definition he has had an outstanding college tennis career starting with a junior ITF rank closer to 400 than 10!

Emily Arbuthnot who has played down the order at Stanford is now playing at No 2! Which if she is able to win means as she will play ranked opponents could develop a top 20 rank. Players will be better and she will finish less often with a strong team so the proviso is: if she wins. She has won a lot In Her college career but at No 4 and 5 a rank is hard to grow.

Then again in a very strong programme success can be measured differently you win national team championships with excellent players at 3,4,5 (most teams gave a decent no 1) you also get high quality practice. Chuck in academic excellence at an elite academic school and regardless of how one progresses on the tennis goes professionally that is a very successful college career and good use of 4 years.

Tennpar · Strong Club Player

On the women's side, good recent results have seen Florida State leap from 16 to 4 in the February ITA team rankings, with freshmen Sasha Hill and Vic Allen featuring regularly in singles (playing in positions 3-6) and doubles. Stanford (PAC 12) have remained in the top 3, Emily Arbuthnott and Angelica Blake regularly turning out in singles, and together in doubles.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

World Tennis Number

Q: Will the new LTA World Tennis Number include match results from the American Collegiate Tennis system?

LTA reply: Matches against players with a World Tennis Number in an official, sanctioned event will count for match results. As the US tennis federation is also introducing the World Tennis Number, matches on the American Collegiate System will count towards the system provided it is against a player with a WTN.

cya · Strong Club Player

Indiana Spink signs to Arkansas (same place with Morgan Cross)