Week 47 - Davis Cup Finals - Madrid, Spain - (Indoor, Hard).

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

RE: Week 47 - Davis Cup Finals - Madrid, Spain - (Indoor, Hard).

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Fritz and Berretini are now at one set all at ten past midnight local time. Lets say that goes to 1 am and then they need to play doubles for the sake of the Italians points integrity, we are looking at a past 1 am start for that match. Crazy...Querrey and Sock had the walkover last night of course and I am sure wont want that again...

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

So it looks like Australia have handed the doubles to Belgium and Belgium end up second in group, with a 3-3 rubbers and 7-7 sets record. A 12-0 games "win" in doubles makes them 70-62 on games. Now, in remaining groups:

Whoever wins of Italy and USA will be second - and would at worst case be 3-3 in rubbers, and could have a negative sets tally, putting Belgium and Russia through.

If Serbia beat France 3-0, France are below Belgium and Russia in best second spot

If Kazakh or GB win/lose 3-0, they will also be below Russia and Belgium

If Chile beat Germany 3-0, Argentina will move top and Chile will move second. In that case, Chile would go to 6-6 sets all, 3 rubbers all. And games wise could max at 55-37, taking them through above Belgium. So I see why Chile are still in. BUT, Chile could win 6 7-6 sets and move to 61-73 games, leaving Belgium in.

So although it is being called as Belgium out, I cant see how. I am sure I am missing something somewhere!

So to me, Russia look nailed on to get through unless results conspire against them, if Argentina dont qualify directly, it becomes a toss up for the other place currently.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
So it looks like Australia have handed the doubles to Belgium and Belgium end up second in group, with a 3-3 rubbers and 7-7 sets record. A 12-0 games "win" in doubles makes them 70-62 on games. Now, in remaining groups:

Whoever wins of Italy and USA will be second - and would at worst case be 3-3 in rubbers, and could have a negative sets tally, putting Belgium and Russia through.

If Serbia beat France 3-0, France are below Belgium and Russia in best second spot

If Kazakh or GB win/lose 3-0, they will also be below Russia and Belgium

If Chile beat Germany 3-0, Argentina will move top and Chile will move second. In that case, Chile would go to 6-6 sets all, 3 rubbers all. And games wise could max at 55-37, taking them through above Belgium. So I see why Chile are still in. BUT, Chile could win 6 7-6 sets and move to 61-73 games, leaving Belgium in.

So although it is being called as Belgium out, I cant see how. I am sure I am missing something somewhere!

So to me, Russia look nailed on to get through unless results conspire against them, if Argentina dont qualify directly, it becomes a toss up for the other place currently.

It was 6-1 6-0 in the Belgium - Aussies doubles. The Aussies started the match and were 1-0 up and then either Thompson or Peers (can't remember which) had an issue with their wrist so they retired. That's another black mark. Not quite as bad as just giving a walk over, and it could have been genuine, but there wasn't much incentive for the Aussies to play that match having guaranteed to top the group and it does give Belgium a bit of a reprieve if your calculations are correct and you've not missed something as you say.

I was going to say that GB would definitely be out if they lost to Kazakhstan, but the Argentina-Germany-Chile situation doesn;t 100% confirm that, but while you can't take anything for granted, it'll be a massive surprise if Germany don't take at least one match against Chile to top the group and confirm the Argies in 2nd, so I think we've got to assume a defeat for GB by any margin, and we won't be able pass Russia and Argentina as a best runner up. A 2-0 1-2 1-2 type score would see our current 5-3 sets ratio change to 9-7 which is 56% and that's less than Argentina's 8-6 (57%)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

The DC site is so messed up, the 6-1 6-0 score just came through. USA just drew equal with Italy at 1-1 as Fritz won against Berettini. Presumably they will play their doubles, Italy are at 6-8 in sets and USA 5-7 so a win would take them both potentially to a 50% score. Belgium are also at 50% on sets. Whichever wins the doubles will have better than 50% on games played and thus I can now see how Belgium are out. So take it back, the deed is done.

Wiki does also show USA as out, so now dont get that as if they win doubles v Italy , I think they are in, but it seems I am probably wrong!

Russia are also showing on wiki as guaranteed qualifying.

Last 8 now looking like:

Serbia or France v Russia or AN Other Runner Up - presumably Russia as they surely wouldnt make Spain play Russia again in the QF round?

Canada v Australia

GB or Kazakhstan (winner of tie between them) v Germany or Argentina (depending if Germany or Chile win last group match)

Spain v Russia or AN Other Runner Up - presumably they would keep Spain and Russia apart?

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Querrey and Sock v Bolelli and Seppi knocking up,1 1.15 am...mmm

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

OK, seems I am correct, who believes wiki anyway!!

Chile are out! belgium and USA are in, and Italy of course.

Italy v USA doubles may change stuff but that is it for now.

So out are Japan, Croatia, Chile, Netherlands, and Colombia

indiana · Tennis legend

At 3.25 am local time the Italy vs USA doubles has gone 1 set all, which if not previously stuffed, has now definitely stuffed both of them. Neither can now match Belgium's final record after their err conclusive doubles win vs Australia.

Of the completed 2 groups we have as runners up.
B. Russia : 1-1 4-2 8-6 78-72
D. Belgium : 1-1 3-3 7-7 70-63

Italy and USA can each yet get the 1-1 3-3 part but live with one set left, Italy's sets are 7-9 and USA'a are 6-8 so the Group F runner-up will be out.

Belgium will be rather hanging on, hoping for a big Chile surprise vs Germany. Unless Germany lose 0-3, they will win Group C and Argentina would be RU as:

C. Argentina : 1-1 3-3 8-6 78-65

That Argentina record can be beaten from Group A or E ( though as said not by GB as runner-up, our best possible sets as RU after a 1-2 loss would be 9-7 so could beat the Belgium RU record ). Russia will be one of the best two RUs.

indiana · Tennis legend

USA won the doubles 6-4 in the 3rd to end as Group F RU with figures:

F. USA : 1-1 3-3 7-8 84-77

So the Belgium ( Australia assisted ) figs edge out the USA ( Canada assisted ) figs. At least it has not gone to games so far ( aa it would have with a 2-0 USA or Italy doubles win ) but has gone to sets. Though, as above, Belgium look likely to be usurped by at least Argentina with possibles also from Group A and E.

Night night, USA, Italy and all.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:

Last 8 now looking like:

Serbia or France v Russia

Canada v Australia

GB or Kazakhstan (winner of tie between them) v Germany or Argentina (depending if Germany or Chile win last group match)

Spain v other runner up.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Ace Ventura wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
So it looks like Australia have handed the doubles to Belgium and Belgium end up second in group, with a 3-3 rubbers and 7-7 sets record. A 12-0 games "win" in doubles makes them 70-62 on games. Now, in remaining groups:

Whoever wins of Italy and USA will be second - and would at worst case be 3-3 in rubbers, and could have a negative sets tally, putting Belgium and Russia through.

If Serbia beat France 3-0, France are below Belgium and Russia in best second spot

If Kazakh or GB win/lose 3-0, they will also be below Russia and Belgium

If Chile beat Germany 3-0, Argentina will move top and Chile will move second. In that case, Chile would go to 6-6 sets all, 3 rubbers all. And games wise could max at 55-37, taking them through above Belgium. So I see why Chile are still in. BUT, Chile could win 6 7-6 sets and move to 61-73 games, leaving Belgium in.

So although it is being called as Belgium out, I cant see how. I am sure I am missing something somewhere!

So to me, Russia look nailed on to get through unless results conspire against them, if Argentina dont qualify directly, it becomes a toss up for the other place currently.
It was 6-1 6-0 in the Belgium - Aussies doubles. The Aussies started the match and were 1-0 up and then either Thompson or Peers (can't remember which) had an issue with their wrist so they retired. That's another black mark. Not quite as bad as just giving a walk over, and it could have been genuine, but there wasn't much incentive for the Aussies to play that match having guaranteed to top the group and it does give Belgium a bit of a reprieve if your calculations are correct and you've not missed something as you say.
I was going to say that GB would definitely be out if they lost to Kazakhstan, but the Argentina-Germany-Chile situation doesn;t 100% confirm that, but while you can't take anything for granted, it'll be a massive surprise if Germany don't take at least one match against Chile to top the group and confirm the Argies in 2nd, so I think we've got to assume a defeat for GB by any margin, and we won't be able pass Russia and Argentina as a best runner up. A 2-0 1-2 1-2 type score would see our current 5-3 sets ratio change to 9-7 which is 56% and that's less than Argentina's 8-6 (57%)

Dodgy wrist. Presumably Aussies will need to pull out now smile

wolf · Tennis legend

4:04 am finish last night, second latest finish ever after infamous Hewitt vs Baghdatis match at Aussie Open.

Jan · Hall of fame

I must admit I haven't made much of an effort to understand the scoring system for qualifying from groups, but it does look very messy!

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Being reported that Andy Murray is out of today's tie and that Kyle/Dan will play the singles.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Correct, Kyle playing Kukushkin first up, Dan playing Bublik after