Week 46 - ITF (W15) Solarino, Italy Carpet

Peter too · Tennis legend

Week 46 - ITF (W15) Solarino, Italy Carpet

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q1: WOOLER, Anoushka (GBR) 13 UNR/1048 lost to FORCISI, Martina (ITA) UNR/1736 3-6 6-3 [6-10]

DF · Tennis legend

Destinee won 6-3 6-2

DF · Tennis legend

Apparently she defeated Koussenkova in second round of qualifying and is also the no 1 seed in Qualis

So big changes. Popescu and Maloney in MD perhaps and Destinee through as well unless there is another round.

DF · Tennis legend

Anoushka defeated Desideria D'amico in the second round of Qualifying and she too enters

The above seems to be last week's results so they have duplicated them on the site. Need to await the correct results

-- Edited by DF on Sunday 10th of November 2019 04:01:55 PM

Babfive · Satellite level

I'm confused. But apparently so are the Itf.

-- Edited by Babfive on Sunday 10th of November 2019 04:06:34 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q1: POPESCU, Anna (GBR) 2 1224/737 v Bye
Q1: MALONEY, Eliz (GBR) 4 1273/699 def ZINGALE, Rachele Elisa (ITA) UNR/UNR 6-0 6-1
Q1: MARTINS, Destinee (GBR) 9 UNR/933 def MICCIO, Giuseppina (ITA) UNR/UNR 6-3 6-2
Q1: WOOLER, Anoushka (GBR) 13 UNR/1048 lost to FORCISI, Martina (ITA) UNR/1736 3-6 6-3 [6-10]

Q2: POPESCU, Anna (GBR) 2 1224/737 v LOSCIALE (ITA) 10 UNR/985 CH=UNR/684
Q2: MALONEY, Eliz (GBR) 4 1273/699 v KOUSSENKOVA, Valeria (ESP) UNR/2023 =CH
Q2: MARTINS, Destinee (GBR) 9 UNR/933 v VIGLIANISI, Alice (ITA) UNR/782 CH=1230/662 5/8/19 18yo

Status Quo · Intermediate Club Player

The generation after the Katie/y's has to come from somewhere (soon) or these page will be very threaddbare indeed.
At least they're getting out there and testing in at the the shallowest part of the deep end to see if any float at all.

For year 50 or so in succession though: where is our pipeline?

indiana · Tennis legend

Status Quo wrote:
The generation after the Katie/y's has to come from somewhere (soon) or these page will be very threaddbare indeed.
At least they're getting out there and testing in at the the shallowest part of the deep end to see if any float at all.

For year 50 or so in succession though: where is our pipeline?

The Katie/y generation have had a disappointing year. They have not left us.

Status Quo · Intermediate Club Player

indiana wrote:
Status Quo wrote:
The generation after the Katie/y's has to come from somewhere (soon) or these page will be very threaddbare indeed.
At least they're getting out there and testing in at the the shallowest part of the deep end to see if any float at all.

For year 50 or so in succession though: where is our pipeline?
The Katie/y generation have had a disappointing year. They have not left us.

And thus I do not impute them.

Rather, they as a group have generally made progress and represented themselves (within a certain degree of subjective variance) as we might have expected from junior results and other evaluations of potential. Their collective journey continues.

Here, we're looking beyond. Well, hopefully. That looks less than a fruitful harvest, but at least the chances are being provided. But, why, after so many years can we still not expect a bounteous, or at least improved return for our expectations: one prospect like Ms Raducanu every two to three cycles is just desultory for a nation such as ours.

Now, I don't demand they all go on to be world-beaters. But, it is surely time that. on an annualised basis, we could look forward with certainty to the group of new players pitting their wits at the start of their travels. Those anew to the Q and MD of $15K;to have some structure and depth to follow, along with specific evidence-based expectations for each.

But, still, the best we do is, throw a few in and see. It all seems so 20th Century, but we seem to more than settle for the languor.

Here endeth my annual tired rant.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Status Quo wrote:
indiana wrote:
Status Quo wrote:
The generation after the Katie/y's has to come from somewhere (soon) or these page will be very threaddbare indeed.
At least they're getting out there and testing in at the the shallowest part of the deep end to see if any float at all.

For year 50 or so in succession though: where is our pipeline?
The Katie/y generation have had a disappointing year. They have not left us.
And thus I do not impute them.
Rather, they as a group have generally made progress and represented themselves (within a certain degree of subjective variance) as we might have expected from junior results and other evaluations of potential. Their collective journey continues.
Here, we're looking beyond. Well, hopefully. That looks less than a fruitful harvest, but at least the chances are being provided. But, why, after so many years can we still not expect a bounteous, or at least improved return for our expectations: one prospect like Ms Raducanu every two to three cycles is just desultory for a nation such as ours.
Now, I don't demand they all go on to be world-beaters. But, it is surely time that. on an annualised basis, we could look forward with certainty to the group of new players pitting their wits at the start of their travels. Those anew to the Q and MD of $15K;to have some structure and depth to follow, along with specific evidence-based expectations for each.
But, still, the best we do is, throw a few in and see. It all seems so 20th Century, but we seem to more than settle for the languor.
Here endeth my annual tired rant.

So here's the question Status Quo! As you joined the board in april 2019, under what name where your previous annual tired rants carried out ! smile

The world needs to know!

Who are you?!?

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Sunday 10th of November 2019 09:43:33 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

I think, SQ, that you are calling for a GB tennis governing body with real vision. As long as we don't have that I don't realistically see how we can "expect" much to change, as no doubt we would all wish.

The Katie/y generation are actually a randomly larger group than usual which last year helped the GB women to their best top 10 world rankings average in well over 20 years. And we have Jo having been top 10 and near it again. For only one week since 1991 have we had more than 3 in the top 100 ( Anne K, Heather, Laura, Bally ). We are talking about very long term relative under performance.

To do much better, more like comparatively sized European nations, probably does require that missing vision and true leadership,
eg. perhaps put on lots more home tournaments at different levels like the Italians.

Otherwise we are more just living in hope and cheering on the few that make any sort of real impression in fhe rankings.

-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 10th of November 2019 10:15:58 PM

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

While some of the current gen could be on tour for the next 10 years or so, the group directly after that does look particularly concerning. If you look at the current crop of teenagers listed on OER:

www.openerarankings.com/WTAHome

How many of those do you see eventually getting into slam qualifying contention, let alone the top 100? Emma is a clear standout, and Fran was looking decent before injury derailed her season, but after that it looks very slim pickings indeed. There probably will be a gem or two who you least suspect, but the likes of Ali Collins, who I would have considered one of the better ones, was losing 3 and 1 to someone 3 years younger earlier in the week, albeit someone who did go on to take the title. A lot of them will likely end up in US college and then ultimately fade into obscurity, and there's been so many W15 threads on here in recent weeks of this group of players, and those slightly older like Anna P, K Pitak, that are over pretty much before they start, and if they do manage a win or two (at W15 level) it won't be long until they're on the wrong end of a 1-6 2-6 type defeat.

There is of course Angelica Blake who is not on that list, and I still think that may well be the best option going forward to fill the voids - those who have a British parent and / or have lived / trained here long enough to make them eligible to switch, e.g. Joanna Garland, Melissa Boyden, Mariam Bolkvadze (unlikely) and anyone else who I'm not yet aware of. There are a few younger juniors like Matilda, Sonay, Grace, Marni and others who may do better, but it does generally look like current group of 17-19/20 year olds will be one that will largely pass us by.

Michael D · All-time great

Status Quo wrote:
indiana wrote:
Status Quo wrote:
The generation after the Katie/y's has to come from somewhere (soon) or these page will be very threaddbare indeed.
At least they're getting out there and testing in at the the shallowest part of the deep end to see if any float at all.

For year 50 or so in succession though: where is our pipeline?
The Katie/y generation have had a disappointing year. They have not left us.
And thus I do not impute them.
Rather, they as a group have generally made progress and represented themselves (within a certain degree of subjective variance) as we might have expected from junior results and other evaluations of potential. Their collective journey continues.
Here, we're looking beyond. Well, hopefully. That looks less than a fruitful harvest, but at least the chances are being provided. But, why, after so many years can we still not expect a bounteous, or at least improved return for our expectations: one prospect like Ms Raducanu every two to three cycles is just desultory for a nation such as ours.
Now, I don't demand they all go on to be world-beaters. But, it is surely time that. on an annualised basis, we could look forward with certainty to the group of new players pitting their wits at the start of their travels. Those anew to the Q and MD of $15K;to have some structure and depth to follow, along with specific evidence-based expectations for each.
But, still, the best we do is, throw a few in and see. It all seems so 20th Century, but we seem to more than settle for the languor.
Here endeth my annual tired rant.

Yeah, but quite impressive though! biggrin

Status Quo · Intermediate Club Player

indiana wrote:
I think, SQ, that you are calling for a GB tennis governing body with real vision.

Brevity being the the soul of wit, this is probably what I should have said Then, asked why we still don't have one.

Our prospects can only be as good (on average) as the system that exists to produce and nurture them. We should demand the levels of those are finally raised in permanent fashion.

Regarding who I was, I'm sure I've had about a dozen logins over the years. I go months without posting, can't remember one of the credentials, and have to set up a new account until such time as I forgot these new details. I think I got to about 500 posts once before having to wipe the slate.