Week 40 - ATP 500 - China Open - Beijing (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Week 40 - ATP 500 - China Open - Beijing (hard)

flamingowings · All-time great

I personally think it's a bit mean to have a smiling emoji for a retirement - I understand that it's for Cam winning but still.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

flamingowings wrote:
I personally think it's a bit mean to have a smiling emoji for a retirement - I understand that it's for Cam winning but still.

Don't think it was meant that way.

Back in the old days, there was a convention of sorts that it was a Smiley for a Win, a big smiley for win over a higher ranked player, a sad face for a loss and a really sad face for a loss to a lower ranked opponent.

It was a "results at a glance" method of communication rather than a attempt at emotional expression.

indiana · Tennis legend

Dan is now just one place behind Kyle in the live rankings :

41. Kyle 1165
42. Dan 1110

Would need 2 more wins, therefore reaching the SFs, to overtake Kyle this week, but surely just a matter of time, more particularly because of Kyle's further points drop offs in the coming weeks rather than his dubious form.

Be good though if Dan moves ahead in style including maybe soon taking out his existing CH 41, dating back to March 2017 prior to his year's sabbatical.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 30th of September 2019 12:23:53 PM

flamingowings · All-time great

Bob in Spain wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
I personally think it's a bit mean to have a smiling emoji for a retirement - I understand that it's for Cam winning but still.
Don't think it was meant that way.
Back in the old days, there was a convention of sorts that it was a Smiley for a Win, a big smiley for win over a higher ranked player, a sad face for a loss and a really sad face for a loss to a lower ranked opponent.
It was a "results at a glance" method of communication rather than a attempt at emotional expression.

That may be true but the old days are not the days we live in now and all forums, boards, treads, blogs etc have different ways of expressing things. That is how I read it and I have been on this board for 2 years or something now so am not new-new but am just writing it how I see it (or read it)

Toby · Lower Club Player

Kyle looked flat to me, can only be on a downward trajectory until he finds some inspiration. Cameron looks much more involved and 'up for it'.

Spireman · Club Coach

flamingowings wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
I personally think it's a bit mean to have a smiling emoji for a retirement - I understand that it's for Cam winning but still.
Don't think it was meant that way.
Back in the old days, there was a convention of sorts that it was a Smiley for a Win, a big smiley for win over a higher ranked player, a sad face for a loss and a really sad face for a loss to a lower ranked opponent.
It was a "results at a glance" method of communication rather than a attempt at emotional expression.
That may be true but the old days are not the days we live in now and all forums, boards, treads, blogs etc have different ways of expressing things. That is how I read it and I have been on this board for 2 years or something now so am not new-new but am just writing it how I see it (or read it)

I checked the odds on the Norrie match before they started this morning and both players weren't too far from evens. I thought this was surprising given the gap in rankings....does anyone know why the odds were like this? Did Cameron's opponent perhaps have some sort of pre-existing injury or problem?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Spireman wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
I personally think it's a bit mean to have a smiling emoji for a retirement - I understand that it's for Cam winning but still.
Don't think it was meant that way.
Back in the old days, there was a convention of sorts that it was a Smiley for a Win, a big smiley for win over a higher ranked player, a sad face for a loss and a really sad face for a loss to a lower ranked opponent.
It was a "results at a glance" method of communication rather than a attempt at emotional expression.
That may be true but the old days are not the days we live in now and all forums, boards, treads, blogs etc have different ways of expressing things. That is how I read it and I have been on this board for 2 years or something now so am not new-new but am just writing it how I see it (or read it)
I checked the odds on the Norrie match before they started this morning and both players weren't too far from evens. I thought this was surprising given the gap in rankings....does anyone know why the odds were like this? Did Cameron's opponent perhaps have some sort of pre-existing injury or problem?

Garin is known for being very much a clay court player. So maybe punters thought (quite rightly?) that his ranking is not a true one for hard courts......

indiana · Tennis legend

Spireman wrote:
[...]
I checked the odds in the Norrie match before they started this morning and both players weren't too far from evens. I thought this was surprising given the gap in rankings....does anyone know why the odds were like this? Did Cameron's opponent perhaps have some sort of pre-existing injury or problem?

I think it's because Garin is much more at home on clay courts compared to hard.

His current top 4 ranking counters ( totalling 760 of his 1336 points ) are from Munich, Houston, Sao Paolo and Santo Domingo. And the ATP site's ATP tour W/L summary for the year shows on clay he is 20/9 and on hard 5/6.

Edit: Great minds agree, fools seldom differ.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 30th of September 2019 05:25:01 PM

Spireman · Club Coach

indiana wrote:
Spireman wrote:
[...]
I checked the odds in the Norrie match before they started this morning and both players weren't too far from evens. I thought this was surprising given the gap in rankings....does anyone know why the odds were like this? Did Cameron's opponent perhaps have some sort of pre-existing injury or problem?
I think it's because Garin is much more at home on clay courts compared to hard.
His current top 4 ranking counters ( totalling 760 of his 1336 points ) are from Munich, Houston, Sao Paolo and Santo Domingo. And the ATP site's ATP tour W/L summary for the year shows on clay he is 20/9 and on hard 5/6.
Edit: Great minds agree, fools seldom differ.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 30th of September 2019 05:25:01 PM

Thanks to both, I didn't know that and hadn't heard of him before.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Well, Andy's got the first set in a TB....

And on serve in the second....

Andy's certainly looking pretty good

Julia Carrot · All-time great

I think they exchanged breaks early in 2nd set. Now Andy serving now at 5 - 6 - finally sat down to watch properly .

Julia Carrot · All-time great

Dreamy little drop shot

tie break now -

-- Edited by Julia Carrot on Tuesday 1st of October 2019 07:01:59 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

And yeh for Andy

Two tiebreaks - clutch win, sir.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Well done sir andy!