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Ace Ventura


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Andy Parker wrote:
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I'm still concerned that she won't be able to play in New York. The US Open rules state that anyone in the Q list still competing at 2pm EST on Sunday 18th will be automatically withdrawn, and the Vancouver final is 3pm EST, so unless there is a loophole somewhere, it looks like she will be removed, in which case I'd have far rather she lost today and headed over to NY, like Babos - not that Timea lost on purpose, although the 9 successive games lost from 4-3 to 4-6 0-6, suggests it could have been on her mind and tanked the second set when it was looking a bit ominous.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow, either officially somewhere, or just when the draw comes out, but she'd be by far our best hope of qualifying IMO, especially after doing so last year. IF she couldn't play both, then I guess another option could be to develop a 'cold' tonight (they are 8 hours behind), or first thing in the morning, pull out of the final, and get over to NY, so that at least she would have defended her final points, rather than losing in the semi final to safely get there.

An ideal world would be her winning tomorrow, head over to NY and then have her Q1 match on the Tuesday, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. It would be pathetic if someone missed out for doing well in a prior tournament.

 The maddest thing about this situation, if it is correct, is that from what others are saying, Heather won't actually have to play until Tuesday. When I first saw posts on this, I was trying to think about when the US Open qualies start, and my memory was that they start on the Monday with the men's first round and then the Tuesday with the women's first round, which is why I asked a couple of times in posts as to when Heather would actually be playing in the qualies.

That means that |Heather has the Sunday evening or all day on the Monday to get a flight to the US; with that kind of timescale, even if there were problems getting to JFK airport, it is quite feasible to get to Boston or Washington DC and then a taxi or even a train down to New York, so there really shouldn't be an issue getting there. To be forced to pull out of a tournament, when you have a day and a half's gap in between would be ridiculous, so hopefully it can't really be true. I am sure Heather won't believe it, if it is, and I won't either. Hopefully that 2 pm rule  just applies to the men for the Monday.

It would indeed be a total farce if true. Quals used to start for both on Tuesday, but it was changed this year, so that they start on Monday, and there will definitely be women's matches on Monday, but I don't know the schedule - I'd imagine half Q1 matches will be on Monday and half on Tuesday, so while Heather could, and probably would, play on Tuesday, the fact that the quals start in Monday means the sign in deadline in on Sunday this year. It should affect Jason Jung as well who has made the men's final, and like Heather, plays someone already in the main draw.

As I say, I hope there is a loophole and both get in, but it does specifically say those competing in Sunday will be removed.

 



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The final today is earlier than the final she played here last year (which was scheduled for NB 3pm but didn't start until about 5pm) so unless something's changed she'll be fine for the USO.

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What's changed RS is that last year USO quals started on the Tuesday, across the board for everyone, nobody played on Monday, so I assume the sign in would be Monday a day before any play was due to start. This year it has changed to a 5 day event and there are matches on Monday for both men and women meaning the sign in date is a day before, where the problems could lie.

The good news is that the likes of Stuart Fraser haven't said anything, and at the moment it's just a few people commenting on an a different forum, and nothing has been said from the US Open, so there could be a special exemption in place for Vancouver finalists, but the fact sheet does state those still competing on the Sunday will be removed.

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Ace Ventura wrote:

What's changed RS is that last year USO quals started on the Tuesday, across the board for everyone, nobody played on Monday, so I assume the sign in would be Monday a day before any play was due to start. This year it has changed to a 5 day event and there are matches on Monday for both men and women meaning the sign in date is a day before, where the problems could lie.

The good news is that the likes of Stuart Fraser haven't said anything, and at the moment it's just a few people commenting on an a different forum, and nothing has been said from the US Open, so there could be a special exemption in place for Vancouver finalists, but the fact sheet does state those still competing on the Sunday will be removed.

 They have to include her Ace! There would be an uproar if they didn't, and I'm damn certain the Vancouver organisers would make sure there are no issues.



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Michael D wrote:
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What's changed RS is that last year USO quals started on the Tuesday, across the board for everyone, nobody played on Monday, so I assume the sign in would be Monday a day before any play was due to start. This year it has changed to a 5 day event and there are matches on Monday for both men and women meaning the sign in date is a day before, where the problems could lie.

The good news is that the likes of Stuart Fraser haven't said anything, and at the moment it's just a few people commenting on an a different forum, and nothing has been said from the US Open, so there could be a special exemption in place for Vancouver finalists, but the fact sheet does state those still competing on the Sunday will be removed.

 They have to include her Ace! There would be an uproar if they didn't, and I'm damn certain the Vancouver organisers would make sure there are no issues.

You'd certainly like to think so Michael. Would be ridiculous if she were to miss out.

 



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Ace Ventura wrote:
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What's changed RS is that last year USO quals started on the Tuesday, across the board for everyone, nobody played on Monday, so I assume the sign in would be Monday a day before any play was due to start. This year it has changed to a 5 day event and there are matches on Monday for both men and women meaning the sign in date is a day before, where the problems could lie.

The good news is that the likes of Stuart Fraser haven't said anything, and at the moment it's just a few people commenting on an a different forum, and nothing has been said from the US Open, so there could be a special exemption in place for Vancouver finalists, but the fact sheet does state those still competing on the Sunday will be removed.

 They have to include her Ace! There would be an uproar if they didn't, and I'm damn certain the Vancouver organisers would make sure there are no issues.

You'd certainly like to think so Michael. Would be ridiculous if she were to miss out.

 

 For sure!



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The ITF will carve this out of the rule in the same way rules were bent to allow Ahn to take Kvitova's WC in Bronx despite the qualifying having actually started, because they said a "player participating in qualifying" didn't include a player in the draw who's match hadn't started (an incredibly ropey interpretation!).

The rule is surely only intended to chop out those competing in a same week event, not those who are playing in a final of an event from the previous week.

Id be astonished if the ITF hadn't given the players comfort on this point at the start of the event.



-- Edited by PaulM on Sunday 18th of August 2019 09:34:30 AM

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And especially now a US Open qualifier is in the final. Sorribes Tormo is of course in the MD, so it's only Heather potentially affected.

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That does sound plausible PaulM and hopefully will turn out to be the case, which I think it probably will now, because as you say there are often loopholes involved in these rules. I wasn't aware of that Ahn explanation although I did find it strange how one minute she was meant to play Osuigwe in Bronx Q1, and the next she was in the main draw.

At least Hev is in the first final today and can head over to NY as soon as it is done.



-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Sunday 18th of August 2019 09:54:10 AM

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Well it would be a total travesty if she couldn't play. They seriously need to look at the rules and clarify.

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As far as I know players can no longer compete in another event and Slam qualifying in effectively the same week. There was definitely some change within the last year or so. If that's the case it can't be a rule aimed at such players but maybe was before. Is it maybe a now out of date rule?



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As far as I know players can no longer compete in another event and Slam qualifying in effectively the same week. There was definitely some change within the last year or so. If that's the case it can't be a rule aimed at such players but maybe was before. Is it maybe a now out of date rule?

Yeah, I think there was a new rule where you couldn't enter a WTA event the same week as a slam, and the ITF events in the same week as the slam won't start until Monday now, but this rule in the 2019 US Open fact sheet specifically states that players still competing in singles or doubles on 'Sunday, 18 August, the day prior to Qualifying, will be automatically withdrawn', so with the actual date stated and acknowledging that quals now start on the Monday this year, it's got to be a current rule and one that surely has the likes of Heather in mind. She'll probably still end up in the Q draw, but at face value, it looks like she should be (wrongly IMO) removed if the rules are adhered to.



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It will be interesting to see the interpretation of the rule.

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The draw is on the US Open website, and Heather is Q8

www.usopen.org/en_US/draws/index.html

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Good. Interesting match with Bolkvadze to start things off. Hopefully that's fairly late on Tuesday.

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