Week 33 - WTA Premier 5, Western & Southern Open ($2,944,486) Cincinnati, OH - Hard

indiana · Tennis legend

Week 33 - WTA Premier 5, Western & Southern Open ($2,944,486) Cincinnati, OH - Hard

Strongbow · All-time great

I'd imagine that keeping fit is the top priority. With the womens game in tumult a couple of good tournaments could take her anywhere. As for the WTA finals - it would be nice, but I don't think she needs the money.

Michael D · All-time great

Strongbow wrote:
She doesn't need a reason - she has covered all her points till the end of the year. So it's all a free hit - well done

As the 2nd seed for a new tournament, I hope she was decent enough to provide the organisers with a reason. If you don't intend to play don't enter; if you intended to play but something happened, then provide the reason. Another example of Jo's media failure frankly. I really don't see why Jo can't be a little more forthcoming.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Michael D wrote:
Strongbow wrote:
She doesn't need a reason - she has covered all her points till the end of the year. So it's all a free hit - well done

As the 2nd seed for a new tournament, I hope she was decent enough to provide the organisers with a reason. If you don't intend to play don't enter; if you intended to play but something happened, then provide the reason. Another example of Jo's media failure frankly. I really don't see why Jo can't be a little more forthcoming.

Its in the Aussie in her, although our player she essentially has the attitude of an Aussie, in fact I still think of her as Australian more often than not. I dont say that as a bad thing but a lot of English people in particular dont get her. Having lived over there I get her ways.

HarryGem · Club Coach

PaulM wrote:
Jo has pulled out of the Bronx.

Didn't she just say that she needed more matches on the hard courts before the US open?

Unless she's injured or unwell I find this a strange decision.

HarryGem · Club Coach

Strongbow wrote:
I'd imagine that keeping fit is the top priority. With the womens game in tumult a couple of good tournaments could take her anywhere. As for the WTA finals - it would be nice, but I don't think she needs the money.

Surely playing in the WTA finals is not only about the money?

Michael D · All-time great

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Michael D wrote:
Strongbow wrote:
She doesn't need a reason - she has covered all her points till the end of the year. So it's all a free hit - well done

As the 2nd seed for a new tournament, I hope she was decent enough to provide the organisers with a reason. If you don't intend to play don't enter; if you intended to play but something happened, then provide the reason. Another example of Jo's media failure frankly. I really don't see why Jo can't be a little more forthcoming.
Its in the Aussie in her, although our player she essentially has the attitude of an Aussie, in fact I still think of her as Australian more often than not. I dont say that as a bad thing but a lot of English people in particular dont get her. Having lived over there I get her ways.

Ah yes.

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Whilst one is not expecting a blow by blow account of where she is appearing like we get with Andy Murray it would be handy if one could find out somewhere why Jo withdrew from The Bronx and also did not enter Wuhan. I've looked at the Twitter accounts of some of the journalists and couldn't find anything. Based on previous occasions with the exception of the Australian Open of 2016 she has done well (i.e. last 16 or better) at the Grand Slams when she has been playing well beforehand. Based on her 2 post Wimbledon singles matches prospects for the US Open don't look that good. Perhaps when the build up starts for the US Open these questions might be answered even if turns out to be something like burnout. At the moment you can come to a number of conclusions.

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Michael D wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Michael D wrote:
Strongbow wrote:
She doesn't need a reason - she has covered all her points till the end of the year. So it's all a free hit - well done

As the 2nd seed for a new tournament, I hope she was decent enough to provide the organisers with a reason. If you don't intend to play don't enter; if you intended to play but something happened, then provide the reason. Another example of Jo's media failure frankly. I really don't see why Jo can't be a little more forthcoming.
Its in the Aussie in her, although our player she essentially has the attitude of an Aussie, in fact I still think of her as Australian more often than not. I dont say that as a bad thing but a lot of English people in particular dont get her. Having lived over there I get her ways.
Ah yes.

There's also the Hungarian blood and we are not familiar with their attitude apart from the fact that they don't like the Rumanians.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Keys win over Venus pushes Jo to #16. If Kenin beats Keys tonight, Jo will be seeded #17 at the Open, which makes a big difference to her draw.

indiana · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Keys win over Venus pushes Jo to #16. If Kenin beats Keys tonight, Jo will be seeded #17 at the Open, which makes a big difference to her draw.

If Kenin beats Keys she will be level with Jo on 2695 points.

Then I 'think' the first divider will be total points won from Grand Slams, Premier Mandatories, Premier 5s and WTA finals.

The OER site's ranking points breakdowns for each player give that split figure and Jo would still be ahead of Kenin for that split even with Kenin adding a further 235 points, since it is currently showing Jo ahead 2053 points vs 1612.

Clearly if Kenin wins the title Jo drops to WR 17 ( and 17th seed if all above her make the US Open starting line ) with whatever consequences that brings with the unpredictability that the action will no doubt bring.

ROSAMUND · Futures level

PaulM wrote:
Keys win over Venus pushes Jo to #16. If Kenin beats Keys tonight, Jo will be seeded #17 at the Open, which makes a big difference to her draw.

Will it really matter? Based on the fact that Jo pulled out of The Bronx and has not entered Wuhan is she actually going to play the US Open? If she does such is her current form that she looks more likely to lose in the first round. At the moment the things I most associate with her are losing, arguing with the media or umpires and persisting playing drop shots when its just not her game. She reached the later stages of the last 2 GS not being seeded in the top 16. In Paris she was lucky in that she did not have to face either Bertens or Bencic. At Wimbledon she beat the higher seeded players in Stephens and Kvitova. It is interesting to note that since she beat both of them Stephens has only won 1 match and Kvitova none. Similarly Vondrousova has only won 1 match since beating Jo in Paris. I am a Jo fan believe it or not but just full of pessimism at the moment. Even in this social media age you can't find out the reasons for not playing the Bronx and not entering Wuhan.

flamingowings · All-time great

ROSAMUND wrote:
PaulM wrote:
Keys win over Venus pushes Jo to #16. If Kenin beats Keys tonight, Jo will be seeded #17 at the Open, which makes a big difference to her draw.
Will it really matter? Based on the fact that Jo pulled out of The Bronx and has not entered Wuhan is she actually going to play the US Open? If she does such is her current form that she looks more likely to lose in the first round. At the moment the things I most associate with her are losing, arguing with the media or umpires and persisting playing drop shots when its just not her game. She reached the later stages of the last 2 GS not being seeded in the top 16. In Paris she was lucky in that she did not have to face either Bertens or Bencic. At Wimbledon she beat the higher seeded players in Stephens and Kvitova. It is interesting to note that since she beat both of them Stephens has only won 1 match and Kvitova none. Similarly Vondrousova has only won 1 match since beating Jo in Paris. I am a Jo fan believe it or not but just full of pessimism at the moment. Even in this social media age you can't find out the reasons for not playing the Bronx and not entering Wuhan.

Petra Kvitova has only played one match (which was here), got a WC into The Bronx and has now pulled out. So that's pretty meaningless really. Stephens is up and down at best as well, so nothing can really be drawn from your comments in my opinion.

flamingowings · All-time great

What's interesting me is that if Jo is playing sparingly to the end of the year then she is points heavy from spring - Wimbledon with lots to defend. I guess she can mitigate some of this by doing better in the earlier on in the year tournaments but the points banked from the latter part of this year would've been helpful.

Nix · Futures level

I'm sure Jo has got a reason for choosing the schedule she has done. Maybe we'll find out later on what's going on. I've already given my views about her arguing with the press but it boils down to the press are often bloody rude and then claim to be precious flowers if anyone bites back. I agree arguing with umpires is not a good look but many of the top players have done it at times and I'm sure frustrations can just bubble over. I hope to see Jo bounce back in the US open but I think she's more than paid us back for our support over the clay court season and Wimbledon.