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Week 32 - WTA Premier 5, Rogers Cup ($2,83m) - Toronto, Canada - Hard


Oh, indeed, it was a real shame. But from what we understand,Laura's wrist has not been the problem in the last few years. And of all our other players with injury problems, remarkably few seem to be wrist related. Not even that many that are arm and shoulder. Lots more legs, hips, backs.....

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I was just giving the wrist as an example of possible (more risky?) changes brought about by modern equipment. Once you start to use the wrist then late changes in the direction of the ball can force the opponent into sudden changes of direction that stress legs and backs. However as I say some people seem to avoid many injuries, Federer for example keeps playing at a high level with few injuries. Of course if like Federer you are usually dictating play then you don't have to change direction so often. However it would be useful if someone could take slo-mo video of players who injure themselves a lot and those who avoid injury to see what if any the differences are. But maybe the sports medicine people have already done it.



-- Edited by Peter too on Friday 9th of August 2019 03:54:22 PM

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Most federation coaches do use video footage, digitalised and regular, in conjunction with physios. And those are the things they analyse. As you say, it's very useful and quite a skilled art. You get those freezeframe feedouts that can highlight bad technique problems that stress certain areas too much.
However, it's not just the technique but the physical training - better musculature will help protect those even with bad technique. And general physiology - players with certain areas of hyper-mobility, for instance, need that to be identified, and training and technique adjusted accordingly.
I think abrupt changes in direction are part and parcel of the game now, though, whether it's due to using the wrist (which I can't quite see) or not.
Of course, it might have nothing modern equipment. Since they've put the prize money up, players play a lot older because - quelle surprise - it's worthwhile to do so. And youngsters train harder and longer (sometimes pushed by parents and/or trainers) because there's more at the end to make it worthwhile.


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So then:

Kenin vs Svitolina just about to start
Pliskova vs Andreescu to follow on

Serena vs Osaka at midnight (I'll try and watch this one to a conclusion)
Halep vs Bouzkova (Q) to follow

Halep should really win, but the other 3 are so hard to call. I'll go with Kenin, Pliskova (think Andreescu's tank might catch up with her), and then probably Osaka later on. I like this remaining field and should result in some good matches.


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Coup Droit wrote:

Most federation coaches do use video footage, digitalised and regular, in conjunction with physios. And those are the things they analyse. As you say, it's very useful and quite a skilled art. You get those freezeframe feedouts that can highlight bad technique problems that stress certain areas too much.
However, it's not just the technique but the physical training - better musculature will help protect those even with bad technique. And general physiology - players with certain areas of hyper-mobility, for instance, need that to be identified, and training and technique adjusted accordingly.
I think abrupt changes in direction are part and parcel of the game now, though, whether it's due to using the wrist (which I can't quite see) or not.
Of course, it might have nothing modern equipment. Since they've put the prize money up, players play a lot older because - quelle surprise - it's worthwhile to do so. And youngsters train harder and longer (sometimes pushed by parents and/or trainers) because there's more at the end to make it worthwhile.


 I'd be interested to compare injuries with female juniors against male juniors.  There is finally some research on the hormonal affects on women and as someone currently enduring peri menopause and suffering severe hip and lower back pain that arrived around 46 years old, I suspect puberty may be playing a part.  I would not be surprised if these girls had some niggles, carried on playing, their bodies compensated and they are now suffering the knock on effects.



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There is a lot more research now on what sort of training should be done (or not done) during menstrual periods (not just for juniors). Oestrogen levels are at their lowest then, and it affects tendon laxity and a lot of female athletes have reported bad tendonitis problems that, upon investigation, have start3d and been exacerbated because of lack of understanding by fitness trainers.
However, although this is a female issue, as said I don't believe that it is particularly a junior issue.



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Nb the use of hard courts and the move away from shale, carpet and other softer courts has also been implicated.
France had a policy to make its elite juniors do half their training on clay (nothing to do with injuries, just trying to produce a RG winner) but found that injury levels dropped.



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Friday 9th of August 2019 06:42:04 PM

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Kenin beat Svitolina and Andreescu has just taken the first set 6-0 against #1 chasing Pliskova, wow.

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Research has been done on Women, not girls going through puberty when hormones are fluctuating. Has there been research on how or if  hormones play a part in growing pains. As mentioned going through menopause which is in effect reverse puberty I can say that the back pain, hip pain and knee pain I'm suffering from is definitely hormone related.  This is something that is still in its infancy research wise and unlike most junior sport which tend to be just above hobby level for youngsters training wise, tennis requires dedication at a very young age



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The French certainly have done research on puberty related issues and their impact on training. Both for girls and boys. It's an important part of the physio's job as part of the training team. (Most top juniors are at training centres of excellence , full time, and so the team is part of the deal. Mind you, they still get injured, there's no easy answer)



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Friday 9th of August 2019 07:53:18 PM

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Ace Ventura wrote:

Kenin beat Svitolina and Andreescu has just taken the first set 6-0 against #1 chasing Pliskova, wow.


Andreescu completed a 6-0 2-6 6-4 victory over Pliskova.

So Osaka ( plays Serena in the QF later ) will return to WR 1 on Monday, ahead of in order Barty, Pliskova and Halep. 



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Williams beat Osaka and Halep retired after losing the first set to Bouzkova.

So the quartet of losing quarter finalists are Osaka, Pliskova, Halep and Svitolina. 



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Not sure if it has been commented on but Sam Murray beat Bouzkova in Manchester this year. Another talent from the Czech production line.

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Not sure if it has been commented on but Sam Murray beat Bouzkova in Manchester this year. Another talent from the Czech production line.


 I just commented on Chiswick thread that Sam beat Bouzkova. Who has now came from qualifying and taken out Stephens, Ostapenko and Halep. Only Serena next....



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Andreescu into the final. A win will take her to live ranking of 14.

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