Week 29 - ITF (W15) - Dijon, France - Hard

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Week 29 - ITF (W15) - Dijon, France - Hard

paulisi · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
I don't think it's a question of stats.

After all, was it that her return of serve was weak or that Margaux's serve was particularly good today? We don't know how many truly UEs, as opposed to FEs, she made off the serve.

Margaux is no great shakes but she's certainly played a lot more than Vic at this level and Vic's WTA ranking is extremely misleading - she can't have been favourite in this match, evens at best.

Vic's game has a lot of holes in it at the moment. But it will get better. She's one of those tall girls with problems with movement and dynamism, and it shows her up. I think college tennis will do her the world of good.

I've seen Margaux a couple of times. Much better player than her career high. Struggled with injuries.

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Vic Allen has been featured in the papers as one of a quartet of British rising stars being supported by Peugeot this year..Re college tennis for her which college would that be? When our players go the US colleges we never hear of them on court again excluding Paul Jubb.Some players seem to get coaching positions in US colleges.

the addict · Tennis legend

She's going to Florida State - The Optimist keeps an updated list of those going to college in the General Section - see the first page of the US College Signings thread.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

ROSAMUND wrote:
Vic Allen has been featured in the papers as one of a quartet of British rising stars being supported by Peugeot this year..Re college tennis for her which college would that be? When our players go the US colleges we never hear of them on court again excluding Paul Jubb.Some players seem to get coaching positions in US colleges.

That's hardly true that they go and we never hear of them again.

Lloyd Glasspool, Jack Findel-hawkins, Andrew Watson , Ryan Peniston, Alistair Gray, Joe Salisbury - all these, and more, have featured quite heavily in this year's GB tennis activity, and are all US college graduates or students

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

ROSAMUND wrote:
Vic Allen has been featured in the papers as one of a quartet of British rising stars being supported by Peugeot this year..Re college tennis for her which college would that be? When our players go the US colleges we never hear of them on court again excluding Paul Jubb.Some players seem to get coaching positions in US colleges.

That's hardly true that they go and we never hear of them again.

Lloyd Glasspool, Jack Findel-hawkins, Andrew Watson , Ryan Peniston, Alistair Gray, Joe Salisbury - all these, and more, have featured quite heavily in this year's GB tennis activity, and are all US college graduates or students

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
ROSAMUND wrote:
Vic Allen has been featured in the papers as one of a quartet of British rising stars being supported by Peugeot this year..Re college tennis for her which college would that be? When our players go the US colleges we never hear of them on court again excluding Paul Jubb.Some players seem to get coaching positions in US colleges.
That's hardly true that they go and we never hear of them again.
Lloyd Glasspool, Jack Findel-hawkins, Andrew Watson , Ryan Peniston, Alistair Gray, Joe Salisbury - all these, and more, have featured quite heavily in this year's GB tennis activity, and are all US college graduates or students

I'm sure it may be just coincidence but the list above is all male players. Perhaps you could supply some female names from the 21st century.. My feeling is that there aren't any. Having looked through the performances of our girls at junior Wimbledon in the 21st century I notice that from 2011 Ruth Seaborne and Daniela Borthwick (who reached the 3rd round) seemed to have finished up coaching at US colleges. Of course everybody going to a US college may not be intending to play on the WTA tour and may have some other career in mind.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Sam Murray is the most well known of the female college players.

Alicia Barnett is also a top UK player who is a product of the US college system.

Tiffany William another, although a little lower in the ranking.

Emily Arbuthnott is our current top player.

I agree there doesn't seem to be so many of them as the men, but there are certainly several reasonably high profile players.

Strongbow · All-time great

Qne has to say that if you were to graduate from a top university would you pay $40,000 a year to play ITF tennis cry

That is the choice confuse

KK · Club Coach

Yes, if I was very good at tennis. There will be plenty of time for a good career. I wouldn't want to go through life wondering what I could have achieved if I had tried.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

KK wrote:
Yes, if I was very good at tennis. There will be plenty of time for a good career. I wouldn't want to go through life wondering what I could have achieved if I had tried.

I guess this is what someone like Mark Whitehouse thinks.

He has a tip-top degree, from a tip-top university. Both bachelor and masters, I believe.

His career chances will still be there in a few years time. But his tennis chance won't. And regret is a dreadful thing.....

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

Where does the $40,000 come from. Is that assumed all in expenses for the year?

indiana · Tennis legend

KK wrote:
Yes, if I was very good at tennis. There will be plenty of time for a good career. I wouldn't want to go through life wondering what I could have achieved if I had tried.

Indeed that must be the thoughts of many. Very much an individual thing.

Strongbow · All-time great

KK wrote:
Yes, if I was very good at tennis. There will be plenty of time for a good career. I wouldn't want to go through life wondering what I could have achieved if I had tried.

Even if you leave Uni debt free it is still a lot -you would be 21-22 - where does the money come from?

-- Edited by Strongbow on Monday 22nd of July 2019 12:04:32 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The debt wouldn't matter anyway - you only pay it back if you're earning well over 20k.
I think 40k is based on having a coach etc.
The French players I know count on a great deal less in terms of expenses. A lot of players do some bar work, some coaching etc, I.e. sporadic work to support themselves.
I think it all works, just about, as long as you can live, rent free, at home. You can train hard for a couple of months, working 4 hours a day say. Save some money. Then do three tournaments abroad, back to back, say.
If you can't live at home, I think you've got no chance