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Combined World Singles and Doubles Rankings - ATP


For interest, I recall Richard Evans writing in his book about McEnroe that players regarded him as the unofficial locker room world best, ie at singles and doubles combined.

I have often checked, therefore, to see who is top of a combined singles and doubles ranking list. Here is the current version for ATP. I have taken only those ranked in top 100 at both disciplines. so there are only 15 players ranked and no Brits. Herbert is number 1 by some margin, which may surprise many, me included. Zverev is next , Struff 3rd. 

However, if we take live rankings, several players enter this week: Pella at CR of 120; Schwartzmann CR 97 ; Thiem CR 83; Tsitsipas CR 82. This would make the live top 5, Herbert, Sascha Zverev, Tsitsipas. Thiem and Struff. But Herbert is currently possibly the best combined player in the world. Apologies I havent done WTA but maybe somebody else with relevant insight might like to take a look?   

    

  SDTOTAL
1Herbert41647
2A.Zverev47478
3Struff493685
4Haase623496
5Albot4457101
6Sousa7529104
7Fognini1295107
8Chardy4763110
9Jarry7245117
10Carreno-Busta4278120
11L. Mayer6064124
12Cuevas5176127
13Querrey6566131
14Jaziri9075165
15M. Zverev9868166


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Wow, so only two top 40 singles players (zverev no.4 and fognini no.12) in the top 100 doubles rankings. Really shows how much they care about it.

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Born2WinTennis wrote:

Wow, so only two top 40 singles players (zverev no.4 and fognini no.12) in the top 100 doubles rankings. Really shows how much they care about it.


But you've deliberately chosen the top 40.

You could say 7 of the top 50 singles players are in the top 100 for doubles, which sounds better. 

And Tsitsipas should be added to those numbers too

In which case you've got 3 of the top 15 singles players in the top 100 doubles which also sounds a lot better.

(Not that I think singles players should care about doubles but.....)



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Coup Droit wrote:
Born2WinTennis wrote:

Wow, so only two top 40 singles players (zverev no.4 and fognini no.12) in the top 100 doubles rankings. Really shows how much they care about it.


But you've deliberately chosen the top 40.

You could say 7 of the top 50 singles players are in the top 100 for doubles, which sounds better. 

And Tsitsipas should be added to those numbers too

In which case you've got 3 of the top 15 singles players in the top 100 doubles which also sounds a lot better.

(Not that I think singles players should care about doubles but.....)


 ...and thiem, so 4 of the top 15



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Yes, ultimately that's more fairly top male singles players in the doubles top 100 than I probably imagined.



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Did anyone expect that Herbert though would be world #1 on CR? Followed by Zverev, Tsitsipas, Thiem this week?

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JonH wrote:

Did anyone expect that Herbert though would be world #1 on CR? Followed by Zverev, Tsitsipas, Thiem this week?


 Well...yes*. Herbert is a very good doubles player (obviously!) and this year so far in his singles he was done better than in others years which is why - or partly why - he and Mahut stopped playing together as Herbert wanted to concentrate on singles.

*I've never given it any thought but am not surprised that he's 1.

Zverev tends to play with his brother and has done quite well and we've also seen Tsistipas do well recently in both singles & doubles.



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I took a look at this in May, people may recall that Herbert was top of the list at the time and a total of 15 players had top 100 singles AND doubles rankings.

I thought I would refresh it and 18 players now have that joint ranking with the list below: first number is singles, then doubles and then combined total

5 of the top 7 are new entries, all top 20 singles players who have played more doubles and got decent rankings on the back of it. No particular country bias to who plays both singles and doubles at a decent ranking level.


1. Schwartzman 14 + 40 = 54 (new entry)
2. Shapovalov 13 + 46 = 59 (new entry)
3. Herbert 64 + 6 = 70 (down from 1st)
4. Thiem 5 + 77 = 82 (new entry)
5. Chardy 56 + 29 = 85 (up from 8th)
6. Rublev 18 + 74 = 92 (new entry)
7 . Tsitsipas 6 + 88 = 94 (new entry)
eq. 8th Khachanov 16 + 81 = 97
eq. 8th Sousa 58 + 39 = 97 (down from 6th)
10. Struff 37 + 65 = 102 (new entry)
11 - A Zverev 7 + 97 = 104 (down from 2nd)
12 - Carreno-Busta 30 + 79 = 109 (down from 10th)
13 - F. Lopez 61 + 49 = 110 (new entry)
eq 14th - Paire 24 + 99 = 123 (new entry)
eq 14th - Querrey 45 + 78 = 123 (down from 13th)
16 - Albot 48+94 = 142 (down from 5th)
17 - Jarry (currently suspended) 78 + 69 = 147 (down from 9th)
18 - L. Mayer 100 + 60 = 160 (down from 11th)

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Have had a fresh look at this and we now have 14 men with singles and doubles rankings in the top 100 of each. I may have missed someone but the combined list is:

=1 Schwartzmann 9 + 57 = 66
=1 Shapovalov 12 + 54 = 66
3 Carreno Busta 15 + 61 = 76
4 Rublev 8+70 = 78
5 Chardy 52 + 29 = 81
6 Hurkacz 16 + 71 = 87
7 De Minaur 25 + 64 = 89
8 FAA 21 + 83 = 104
9 Khachanov 24 + 81 = 105
10 EVANS 32 + 87 = 119

11 Paire 33 + 89 = 122
12 Pella 48 + 82 = 132
13 F. Lopez 63 + 72 = 135
14 Bublik 42 + 100 = 142


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JonH comes home wrote:

Have had a fresh look at this and we now have 14 men with singles and doubles rankings in the top 100 of each. I may have missed someone but the combined list is:

=1 Schwartzmann 9 + 57 = 66
=1 Shapovalov 12 + 54 = 66
3 Carreno Busta 15 + 61 = 76
4 Rublev 8+70 = 78
5 Chardy 52 + 29 = 81
6 Hurkacz 16 + 71 = 87
7 De Minaur 25 + 64 = 89
8 FAA 21 + 83 = 104
9 Khachanov 24 + 81 = 105
10 EVANS 32 + 87 = 119

11 Paire 33 + 89 = 122
12 Pella 48 + 82 = 132
13 F. Lopez 63 + 72 = 135
14 Bublik 42 + 100 = 142


 Dan would now be up to number 8 on this list at a combined ranking total of 99.



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In the latest rankings Dan has ended up 82 (26 + 56)

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indiana wrote:

In the latest rankings Dan has ended up 82 (26 + 56)


 Thanks Indy, big improvement: Dan is up to 6th now and v close to the guys above him. Will keep a track on this now. Bublik has dropped out of top 100 doubles and off our list although I havent checked for any other newcomers into the list

 

and here are the others:

1 Schwartzmann 9 + 61 = 70
2 Shapovalov 14 + 57 = 71
3 Carreno Busta 13 + 61 = 76
=4 Rublev 7+74 = 81
=4 Chardy 51 + 30 = 81

6 EVANS 26 + 56 = 82
7 Hurkacz 16 + 70 = 86
8 De Minaur 25 + 67 = 92
9 FAA 20 + 79 = 99
10Khachanov 23 + 91 = 114

11 Paire 34 + 93 = 127
12 Pella 50 + 80 = 130
13 F. Lopez 61 + 76 = 137



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What about Pierre-Hugues Herbert?

He's 99 combined, no?

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Coup Droit wrote:

What about Pierre-Hugues Herbert?

He's 99 combined, no?

Indeed! and there may well be others - I was trawling manually so quite possible I missed others, please let me know if I have!!   


 1 Schwartzmann 9 + 61 = 70

2 Shapovalov 14 + 57 = 71
3 Carreno Busta 13 + 61 = 76
=4 Rublev 7+74 = 81
=4 Chardy 51 + 30 = 81

6 EVANS 26 + 56 = 82
7 Hurkacz 16 + 70 = 86
8 De Minaur 25 + 67 = 92
=9 FAA 20 + 79 = 99

=9 PHH 22+77 = 99


11Khachanov 23 + 91 = 114

12 Paire 34 + 93 = 127
13 Pella 50 + 80 = 130
14 F. Lopez 61 + 76 = 137



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Dans win today takes him up 4 doubles places and presumably up to 4th place in the table above at the same time !

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