Week 19 - ITF M15 - Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain (clay)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Week 19 - ITF M15 - Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain (clay)

flamingowings · All-time great

Well they did so they are actually the first title winners of the week!

indiana · Tennis legend

2 doubles titles in 2 weeks here for the pair. Well done

indiana · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Sorry in Andy Murray voice but first male players so does Naomi and Heather's albeit by w/o doubles title not count as first title winners this week?
I'm not apologising: I had no idea they'd won, by a walkover or no.
Ignorance is no excuse, SC

Got previous too. Same issue with Luke & Felipe's title last week

the addict · Tennis legend

Now, now. We all know that SC doesn't follow the women's tennis wink

flamingowings · All-time great

Tbf, it's hard to know who does and doesn't follow the WTA tour. People who don't, shouldn't make claims about who has or hasn't won titles (or not) because as we see here, it's incorrect

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

I'm with SC on this one and have been "guilty" of the same thing myself. I think if we have to quantify everything we say, every time we say it, it does become a bit silly. As it is with SC or me, when we say "first winners of the week" when it happens to be "first men's winner", it is not said out of malice or disdain towards the women's game, it is simply that for us we follow the men's game only and speak within that sphere of interest. I would hate to have to say, "first GB pro men's, non vets, non junior, non college player, non amateur, non wheelchair winners of the week", just for fear of being considered inconsiderate to any other category.

I have the utmost respect for the women's game, the players, the efforts they put in and their achievements etc, but it just doesn't interest me that much.

I am aware that the comments above are pretty tongue-in-cheek anyway, so don't take me too seriously either. wink

Michael D · All-time great

Yes, very tongue in cheek Bob. If you ever did come across toe the women's site on final's days you wouldn't always find the qualifier 'women' either. And there's no way I'm going to plough through the 12 or so men's tournament threads that are often open at one time. So it's pick and choose focusing more on the Challenger and ATP events, and I certainly wouldn't know every men's title winner each week confuse

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
I'm with SC on this one and have been "guilty" of the same thing myself. I think if we have to quantify everything we say, every time we say it, it does become a bit silly. As it is with SC or me, when we say "first winners of the week" when it happens to be "first men's winner", it is not said out of malice or disdain towards the women's game, it is simply that for us we follow the men's game only and speak within that sphere of interest. I would hate to have to say, "first GB pro men's, non vets, non junior, non college player, non amateur, non wheelchair winners of the week", just for fear of being considered inconsiderate to any other category.

I have the utmost respect for the women's game, the players, the efforts they put in and their achievements etc, but it just doesn't interest me that much.

I am aware that the comments above are pretty tongue-in-cheek anyway, so don't take me too seriously either.

Thanks for that, Bob, & also for your comments, Michael. I thought I'd let the storm I seem to have caused in all innocence abate before I opened my big mouth again. I'm aware that most of the subsequent posts were tongue in cheek, which was largely why I didn't jump in again, but FW's post immediately before yours smacked of petulance - I could almost hear her stamping her foot at the end of it!

I wish to make it clear that I do follow women's tennis, but only, usually, through keeping an eye on the British girls' results & then keeping stumm. Had the recent Fed Cup tie against Kazakhstan been shown on the BBC, I'd have been watching as much of it as I could. I may be wrong, but FW seems to equate "following" the WTA tour with regular posting on the women's threads & I see that as an unfair measure: I've no idea whether she's a regular contributor there & I can't remember when I last visited the women's forum, let alone posted on one of the threads in there.

Also, for the benefit of new posters on this board: I'm no misogynistic male. I'm female, like FW, but happen to find the men's tour more interesting...

flamingowings · All-time great

I was not stamping my foot! ;) I was merely quoting our man on that infamous video clip because I could hear him say it in relation to your comment. & no, like Bob, I wouldn't expect anyone to clarify to such lengths.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

SC, your stance is quite reasonable.
But flamingo was not being petulant, he/she was simply pointing out that you'd made a little slip in that it was not the first title winner of the week.
Which was either because you don't follow women's tennis (which is not problem but you say you do),
Or because you don't follow doubles - but you do
Or because you do follow women's tennis - in the main - but it was just a tiny slip, Naomi's and Hev's title hadn't registered (which also isn't an issue, at all, but just 'fess up)
And flamingo's point is this is particularly relevant because Andy calls out people on it and considers it important to do so.