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indiana wrote:
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QF: (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 17 (9+8) vs Wesley Koolhof & Stefanos Tsitsipas (NED/GRE) CR 124 (23 +101)

Just Koolhof & Tsitsipas's 3rd event together this year. In the second they reached the Miami Masters final, losing to the Bryans, and beat Jamie & Bruno in a MTB at the L16 stage. 

Here they beat in form (5) Mektic & Skugor 6-2 6-4 to reach this stage.

Clearly rather useful together. 

 Mark my words, one of the Dutch players - koolhof,  haase,  middelkoop- will get to a slam final in doubles this year. 



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JonH wrote:
indiana wrote:
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QF: (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 17 (9+8) vs Wesley Koolhof & Stefanos Tsitsipas (NED/GRE) CR 124 (23 +101)

Just Koolhof & Tsitsipas's 3rd event together this year. In the second they reached the Miami Masters final, losing to the Bryans, and beat Jamie & Bruno in a MTB at the L16 stage. 

Here they beat in form (5) Mektic & Skugor 6-2 6-4 to reach this stage.

Clearly rather useful together. 

 Mark my words, one of the Dutch players - koolhof,  haase,  middelkoop- will get to a slam final in doubles this year. 

 JonHdenberg?



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christ wrote:
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indiana wrote:
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QF: (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 17 (9+8) vs Wesley Koolhof & Stefanos Tsitsipas (NED/GRE) CR 124 (23 +101)

Just Koolhof & Tsitsipas's 3rd event together this year. In the second they reached the Miami Masters final, losing to the Bryans, and beat Jamie & Bruno in a MTB at the L16 stage. 

Here they beat in form (5) Mektic & Skugor 6-2 6-4 to reach this stage.

Clearly rather useful together. 

 Mark my words, one of the Dutch players - koolhof,  haase,  middelkoop- will get to a slam final in doubles this year. 

 JonHdenberg?

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I have been sussed! 



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(2) Kubot & Melo and (6) Marach & Pavic have lost their QF matches to Pella & Sousa and Schwartzman & Thiem respectively, leaving Jamie & Bruno as the only remaining seeds.

Their QF comes later today ( Tsitsipas is currently a set and a break up on Verdasco in his L16 singles match ).

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Bruno and Jamie have started and are a set down 2-6

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Break down in the second 3-4*

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The only thing that counts in doubles is 2nd set . Win that and youre in the crap shoot mtb. Losing first set on ATP tour has no impact really on final outcome. May as well toss a coin and get straight to 2nd set !

 

I know its not quite that simple but...



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Hmm,

If you win set 1 and set 2 you avoid the MTB.

If you lose set 1 you will at best get to a MTB.

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They lose 6-2 7-6(4).

Be still alive if they had won one set including set 1.

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And then there were none - Brits or seeds!  disbelief

QF:  Wesley Koolhof & Stefanos Tsitsipas (NED/GRE) CR 124 (23+101) defeated (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 17 (9+8) by 6-2 7-6(4)   bleh



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JonH wrote:

The only thing that counts in doubles is 2nd set . Win that and youre in the crap shoot mtb. Losing first set on ATP tour has no impact really on final outcome. May as well toss a coin and get straight to 2nd set !

 

I know its not quite that simple but...



-- Edited by JonH on Thursday 9th of May 2019 08:23:38 PM

 This doesn't really make sense. Both the first 2 sets matter equally...doesnt matter which one you win you have an even chance in the MTB. You can't avoid the MTB without winning the first set.



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Spaced wrote:
JonH wrote:

The only thing that counts in doubles is 2nd set . Win that and youre in the crap shoot mtb. Losing first set on ATP tour has no impact really on final outcome. May as well toss a coin and get straight to 2nd set !

 

I know its not quite that simple but...



-- Edited by JonH on Thursday 9th of May 2019 08:23:38 PM

 This doesn't really make sense. Both the first 2 sets matter equally...doesnt matter which one you win you have an even chance in the MTB. You can't avoid the MTB without winning the first set.

 Youre probably right! 



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Stircrazy wrote:

And then there were none - Brits or seeds!  disbelief

QF:  Wesley Koolhof & Stefanos Tsitsipas (NED/GRE) CR 124 (23+101) defeated (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 17 (9+8) by 6-2 7-6(4)   bleh

 Fallen to the Dutch maestro ...smile



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Looking at Koolhof's year:

He won Brisbane with Marcus Daniel
Won Miami with Tsitsipas
Reached Monte Carlo final with Haase
RU Budapest with Daniel again
And now in Madrid SF's with Tsitsipas again

Hes not in top 8 pairings in Race as he has swapped around a lot although he will go top 8 with Tsitsipas if he wins the SF at Madrid. That will also make Tsitsipas top 8 in singles and doubles race's a bit like Jack Sock a couple of years back for a while.

Koolhof is the form doubles player for sure



-- Edited by JonH on Friday 10th of May 2019 12:02:55 PM



-- Edited by JonH on Friday 10th of May 2019 12:03:15 PM

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