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Week 17 - ITF (W25) - Santa Margherita Di Pula, Italy - Clay


Lost 1-6 3-6.

Second set did seem a lot more competitive though. It was 47-64 points overall, so that's 31-35 points in 2nd set, which is a lot a lot closer, although ultimately not close enough.

She'll be back here next week as a seed (let's hope she gets a better draw), but I'm quite surprised she didn't do the Japan trio of events like Naomi as she would have got into at least 1 of them and obviously doesn't have to concern herself with FO quals this year.

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Yes, I'm a bit disappointed with our representation in Japan this year.

Chloe has managed to avoid a double bagel 0-6 1-4*

Gabi and Naiktha are back on court, just about to start their doubles match. With the late hour it's been moved to another court, so no stream available

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Chloe lost 0-6 1-6, she did get to 30 or 40 in a few games, but it's effectively a bye for whoever draws her. Luck of the draw I guess, the 5th seed gets a match she's 1/1000 to win, yet the 6th seed gets a match where she's the clear underdog.

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Yes, I'm a bit disappointed with our representation in Japan this year.

Chloe has managed to avoid a double bagel 0-6 1-4*

Gabi and Naiktha are back on court, just about to start their doubles match. With the late hour it's been moved to another court, so no stream available


Yeah, there's a chance for some serious points in those generally weak 60/80k Japanese and Chinese events at this time of the year, and as most of our girls have started the year far lower than their actual ranking, it was a good chance to get something going. Hopefully Heather, for example, can do exactly that.



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Miserable day for Gabi further complete after going down (with Naiktha) in the doubles, 6-1 3-6 7-10

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Status Quo wrote:

Bains' service motion has a bit of the Caro Garcia about it.

Jones' game probably has the better absolute upside potential if it can be harnessed sufficiently well. She tries to win points directly. Currently that often includes too directly.
Bains cagier style will probably actually provide readier rewards, but the ceiling is not as high unless something else develops alongside it.

Still good to see some Brits on the dust and not pigeon-holing themselves.
Quite like to see Gabi's match, too. Even thoug, at time of writing, it is not going terribly well, with half a set played, and Taylor still to trouble the scoreboard.


 Also worth noting that Bains is 3 years older than Jones.



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Just been doing a bit of digging on Chloe Compson as it is a bit random all these Italy 25k MDWCs - she's played 4 matches in Italy these past 7 months and won 3 games combined. Anyway, she's 17 from Glasgow and is involved in modelling. She or her family must surely have links with Pula.

Wish they were handing out MDWCs for fun to the likes of Emma, Vic or either Holly.


 I looked up Chloe's record too - worthy of a complaint to the WTA almost, so I'll rant here instead. She has now had 3 WCs all from 25Ks here. the first was back in September, and 2 this month. She is approx. 25th on the alt lists and she's never won a main draw match at any level, yet she's gained these WCs at this level which gives her a WTA point.  she's stood on the court here and only won 4 games in 6 sets and in her 1 qualifying match the other week she didn't win a single game.  Her pro record goes back 2 years, her 2 wins were qualifying rounds for a 15 K, so she has never by merit got into a main draw at any level. Yet here she will gain a WTA ranking of 850 gaining her a good deal of access at least until September.

One problem is being able to gain a WTA point at R1 level of a 25K without winning a match.



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Every so often the number of girls in the ranking list rises to about 1200. The authorities then decide its too many and bring in new rules to limit the number but each time the girls find a way round the new rules. Some years back there was one girl that used to go on standby at WTA events and play if someone dropped out at the last minute, thereby gaining WTA points without winning a match. The three WCs in W25s is the new loophole. I wouldn't be surprised to see the number creep back up to 1200 before long, it seems to be the number who take tennis seriously enough to ensure they get a ranking.



-- Edited by Peter too on Thursday 25th of April 2019 11:40:42 AM

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Yes agree with Miriam. Worthy of some investigation I think. I read somewhere that some events sell wild cards which is disgraceful. Might this be the case here?



-- Edited by telstar on Thursday 25th of April 2019 11:43:03 AM

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Robyn Beddow?



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Err don't give WCs points for R1 losses? 

The men don't get R1 loss points at all except in Slams and Masters events ( and there is clearly an argument for similar for the women ) but then don't even then give any points to MD WCs just for being in R1.

It often seems as if the ATP and WTA deliberately set out to be different ( and hence more confusing ) with such as ranking points. And usually one of the different ways appears inferior.

Clearly R1 points for 25Ks and above and the 3 counters for a WTA ranking have been there for many years so is not a new loophole for a ranking but is much more significant now with 15Ks not counting and hence many less WTA ranked players. Absolutely ridiculous that such a player now whizzes up entry lists ahead of all these players with just ITF points. 



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 25th of April 2019 01:32:46 PM

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Err don't give WCs points for R1 losses?

The men don't get R1 loss points at all except in Slams and Masters events ( and there is clearly an argument for similar for the women ) but then don't even then give any points to MD WCs just for being in R1.

It often seems as if the ATP and WTA deliberately set out to be different ( and hence more confusing ) with such as ranking points. And usually one of the different ways appears inferior. 


 And this is entirely correct IMO, agree with Indi. No one deserves a ranking point for just turning up, WC or main draw direct entry. It perpetuates the better players staying in their ranking versus someone who didnt quite get directly in, plus it rewards someone for not performing. By all means pay them the money but dont give them the points. 



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She doesn't seem to be on the LTA's radar because I asked that LTA women at Sunderland if she knew much about her (as she had a MDWC that week) and she was aware that she had a WC but didn't know why and seemed as surprised as me that she got one.

www.itftennis.com/procircuit/tournaments/women's-tournament/info.aspx

Looking at the grass 100k entry lists from last year, she'll almost certainly be able to play Manchester 100k qualifying if she wants to and perhaps sneak into the other 2 as well. It does feel wrong and is - perhaps 0 points for MDWCs losing in R1 would be a good idea (or 0 points at all as Indi and Jon mentioned), obviously it would halt those genuine players wanting to get on the ladder, but it would stop these kind of situations.

She has just turned 17 and does seem to have some kind of junior tennis background, but it is just a waste of a WC at this stage and surely there'll be much better candidates in Italy to get one. They do have far more 25k events than us - they have 15 of those in addition to a couple of 60k and 15k events, so more WCs to hand out and probably less noticeable than if they just had 6 or 7, but imagine on here if we were eagerly waiting for say Glasgow 25k entry list and a random 17 year old Italian kept getting WCs and subsequently kept on losing 0-6 1-6, ha.

Next week is the 6th Pula 25k event in succession and the final one this year, so it'll be interesting to see if she gets a final WC there, if her allocation allows it that is.



-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Thursday 25th of April 2019 01:11:26 PM

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Was just having a quick look at next week's Pula list and Chloe is on the alt list. Gabi and Naiktha in the main draw as mentioned / expected, but Fran has just sneaked into one of the IR spots after a late withdrawal yesterday. Kan is also one of the 5 IRs again.

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Hmm, 28th on the alt list - wouldn't be at all surprised if she sneaks in one way or another !

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