Gimelstob

Michael D · All-time great

RE: Gimelstob

christ · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
Don't think Djokovic 'couldn't be bothered' to talk to Fed, Nadal etc.
Think he actively didn't want to.
Or many others either, from all accounts.
Which wouldn't matter really if it was just a question of respect or whatever
But he was on the player council, supposedly representing the players !

This is a fundamental issue with representative democracy: when you have chosen your representative, you are stuck with their attitudes and decisions: if you choose badly, you get to reap the rewards.

It happens in countries, too.

Michael D · All-time great

christ wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Don't think Djokovic 'couldn't be bothered' to talk to Fed, Nadal etc.
Think he actively didn't want to.
Or many others either, from all accounts.
Which wouldn't matter really if it was just a question of respect or whatever
But he was on the player council, supposedly representing the players !
This is a fundamental issue with representative democracy: when you have chosen your representative, you are stuck with their attitudes and decisions: if you choose badly, you get to reap the rewards.
It happens in countries, too.

Yes, especially when the representatives are so steeped in their own interests, they can't actually be bothered (and have no inclination) to 'represent'.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Don't think Djokovic 'couldn't be bothered' to talk to Fed, Nadal etc.
Think he actively didn't want to.
Or many others either, from all accounts.
Which wouldn't matter really if it was just a question of respect or whatever
But he was on the player council, supposedly representing the players !
This is a fundamental issue with representative democracy: when you have chosen your representative, you are stuck with their attitudes and decisions: if you choose badly, you get to reap the rewards.
It happens in countries, too.

Don't I know....... cry cry cry

My one will, no doubt, not be representing me this afternoon (although if he properly represents the majority, that's fine, of course).

However, no one's knocked on my door, or sent me an email, to ask anything in the last couple of years. Given the referendum was not done on a constituency basis, it was only one question, the wrong one (IMHO), and things have changed since then in terms of information and factual basis, you'd think it would have been possible????? Even if they pretty much ignored the results. But I hold it against him that he hasn't.

Michael D · All-time great

Coup Droit wrote:
christ wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Don't think Djokovic 'couldn't be bothered' to talk to Fed, Nadal etc.
Think he actively didn't want to.
Or many others either, from all accounts.
Which wouldn't matter really if it was just a question of respect or whatever
But he was on the player council, supposedly representing the players !
This is a fundamental issue with representative democracy: when you have chosen your representative, you are stuck with their attitudes and decisions: if you choose badly, you get to reap the rewards.
It happens in countries, too.
Don't I know.......
My one will, no doubt, not be representing me this afternoon (although if he properly represents the majority, that's fine, of course).
However, no one's knocked on my door, or sent me an email, to ask anything in the last couple of years. Given the referendum was not done on a constituency basis, it was only one question, the wrong one (IMHO), and things have changed since then in terms of information and factual basis, you'd think it would have been possible????? Even if they pretty much ignored the results. But I hold it against him that he hasn't.

I have such a useless tosser as an MP I don't even bother sending him emails any longer. Yes, I feel fully unrepresented in this catastrophic process.

JonH · All-time great

We've not heard from Tony Perkins on here for a while, be interested to get his views on this whole mess (atp/kermode) and brexit situation !

SuperT · Futures level

Michael D wrote:
christ wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Don't think Djokovic 'couldn't be bothered' to talk to Fed, Nadal etc.
Think he actively didn't want to.
Or many others either, from all accounts.
Which wouldn't matter really if it was just a question of respect or whatever
But he was on the player council, supposedly representing the players !
This is a fundamental issue with representative democracy: when you have chosen your representative, you are stuck with their attitudes and decisions: if you choose badly, you get to reap the rewards.
It happens in countries, too.
Yes, especially when the representatives are so steeped in their own interests, they can't actually be bothered (and have no inclination) to 'represent'.

How often do these player representatives have to stand for re-election? I can't see any of them getting voted back in based on the current dissatisfaction in the ranks.

-- Edited by SuperT on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 12:49:50 PM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
We've not heard from Tony Perkins on here for a while, be interested to get his views on this whole mess (atp/kermode) and brexit situation !

Certainly be interesting to hear his views on the ATP/Kermode situation, but I suspect he is far too astute to get involved in Brexit discussions on here. In his position, I certainly wouldn't.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
JonH wrote:
We've not heard from Tony Perkins on here for a while, be interested to get his views on this whole mess (atp/kermode) and brexit situation !
Certainly be interesting to hear his views on the ATP/Kermode situation, but I suspect he is far too astute to get involved in Brexit discussions on here. In his position, I certainly wouldn't.

Lord above, the man's an MP ! Surely he of ALL people should be involved. Unless he doesn't have time - which is fine, of course. And, indeed, hopefully he doesn't have time because he's doing more important things, like trying to help figure out the problem. Perfectly understandable. But I can't see why he should keep his head down just because it's astute to do so......

JonH · All-time great

From Simon Briggs in telegraph

"One reason for the long-standing tensions between Gimelstob and Kermode is that Gimelstob claimed that he deserved a seven-figure commission fee after introducing Kosmos the investment group who have now backed the remodelled Davis Cup to the ATP in 2016. Kermode replied that only an independent third party would be entitled to such a fee, adding that the board could not vote for one of their own number to receive such a large sum in any case.

As it happened, the possible deal between the ATP and Kosmos disintegrated when the two parties could not agree on a date for their proposed team competition. The ill feeling between Kermode and Gimelstob lingered, however, and may have played a role in last weeks controversial vote."

christ · Futures level

www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/mar/09/tennis-loser-feud-novak-djokovic-chris-kermode

Michael D · All-time great

christ wrote:
www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/mar/09/tennis-loser-feud-novak-djokovic-chris-kermode

Great article, thanks! It really spells out the feud and issues involved extremely well. Love the irony of Djokovic wanting more transparency and then citing confidentiality when asked to explain why his position was so different from all the other major players. Clearly looks a big loss with Kermode's departure, and a big overreach by Djokovic himself.

Michael D · All-time great

Here's another article by Kevin Mitchell that elaborates a bit more on the other three reps on the player's council.

www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/13/tennis-indian-wells-bianca-andreescu-boardroom-upsets

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Just to note, I read that Dom Inglot's brother, Alex, is also on the Players' Council and voted against the extension of Chris Kermode's contract....

Add: which I now see is in the article just posted above..... duh.....sorry !

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Thursday 14th of March 2019 08:43:04 AM

Born2WinTennis · Club Coach

I've read both articles and still not entirely sure of any reason why they would all vote him out? Apart from not giving Gimelstob a massive bung for a failed negotiation with Cosmos.