Week 8 - (ITF W25) - Glasgow, GB Hard

indiana · Tennis legend

RE: Week 8 - (ITF W25) - Glasgow, GB Hard

indiana · Tennis legend

Anyway Ella has just started her FQR pursuit of qualification and a WTA ranking point against Tara's earlier conqueror.

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Michael D · All-time great

Oh, to follow Tom's reasoning (and he's likely right), they probably did think about this, but figured by not giving 1pt for QR1 win in the W25s - effectively the match that is now at the bottom of the WTA pyramid - would keep possibly another 50-100 players per year off the WTA ranking list.

It's blatantly unfair, but I don't think fairness was one of the criteria used in designing this new system.

TomTraubert · Futures level

also i think its suposed to insentivise you to aim up
itf points are just useless they only serve to get you from juniors to wta events if you good enough
if you aiming at $25k then you should be starting there and aiming onwards if you get an itf point or points for it who cares you done the work to start qualifying for a wta rank and should be concerning youself with leaving itf ranks behind and progressing through ranks ever upward
the money and powers that be simply dont care about players who scratch around at this level for years slowly building they want the sabalenka/yastremska/potapova/anisimovas etc and those types will be good enough to enter $25k and get wta points right away and move into bigger better ranks and eventual to wta full tour that what the money care about cherry picking those phenoms in as expedited a way as posible
they reason with some brutal frankness that the rest arent good enough for they level anyhow and so who cares and they shouldnt get any reward
you take the risk to go up to $25k and above and back your own talent to earn your places if you fall at that hurdle they donet care no one do and for all they care you can fall by the waysside forever as the cream will still rise and that all that matter to them
so making any event that offer wta points tough from the bottom entry - ie qualies - and you gotta win to main draw to get any reward towards a wta rank makes sense and if you playing wta rank posible events hoping for itf consolation points then again you just dont understand the point of the new system
again not me talking but the stated aims and directions of the disruptors of tennis that are playing they hands now

indiana · Tennis legend

Michael D wrote:
Oh, to follow Tom's reasoning (and he's likely right), they probably did think about this, but figured by not giving 1pt for QR1 win in the W25s - effectively the match that is now at the bottom of the WTA pyramid - would keep possibly another 50-100 players per year off the WTA ranking list.

It's blatantly unfair, but I don't think fairness was one of the criteria used in designing this new system.

Not an issue though if they just gave some ITF points and rather more than for 15K FQR.

We probably wouldn't be talking big numbers of additional ITF ranked players either. Although it leaves some players still without any WTA or ITF ranking the vast majority of 25K FQRers would no doubt already have an ITF ranking. But these 25K FQR players should be adding something.

Strikes more of my suggested not giving a damn and/or incompetence than Tom's ongoing conspiracy sort of stuff. Not that I discount some of his thoughts.

the addict · Tennis legend

Doubles Draw

L16:- Jaqueline Adina CRISTIAN (ROU)/Raluca Georgiana SERBAN (CYP) [1] 406 (220+186)v Victoria ALLEN (GBR)/ Sasha HILL (GBR) UNR (UNR+UNR)
L16:- Freya CHRISTIE (GBR)/Jana FETT (CRO) 691 (247+444) v Miriam Bianca BULGARU (ROU)/Cristina ENE (ROU) 1226 (477+749)

In the bottom half of the draw

L16:- Julyette Maria Josephine STEUR (GER)/Marina YUDANOV (SWE) 1398 (676+722) v Alicia BARNETT (GBR)/Georgia BRESCIA (ITA) 953 (503+450)
L16:- Aleksandra PITAK (GBR)/Katarzyna PITAK (GBR) UNR (UNR+UNR) v Nuria PARRIZAS-DIAZ (ESP)/Ekaterina YASHINA (RUS) [4] 633 (480+153)

L16:- Tara MOORE (GBR)/Caroline WERNER (GER) 700 (195+505) v Emily APPLETON (GBR)/Helene SCHOLSEN (BEL) 693 (471+222)

Edit: - Bold Apples

-- Edited by the addict on Monday 18th of February 2019 11:20:09 PM

TomTraubert · Futures level

indiana wrote:
Michael D wrote:
Oh, to follow Tom's reasoning (and he's likely right), they probably did think about this, but figured by not giving 1pt for QR1 win in the W25s - effectively the match that is now at the bottom of the WTA pyramid - would keep possibly another 50-100 players per year off the WTA ranking list.

It's blatantly unfair, but I don't think fairness was one of the criteria used in designing this new system.
Not an issue though if they just gave some ITF points and rather more than for 15K FQR.
We probably wouldn't be talking big numbers of additional ITF ranked players either. Although it leaves some players still without any WTA or ITF ranking the vast majority of 25K FQRers would no doubt already have an ITF ranking. But these 25K FQR players should be adding something.
Strikes more of my suggested not giving a damn and/or incompetence than Tom's ongoing conspiracy sort of stuff. Not that I discount some of his thoughts.

yeah... dont do that indy dont patronise it as me and my tin foil hat

this is what they have said in record make it easier for junior to leapfrog into top ranks rather than scratch around slowly accruing low rank points when theyd be good enough to win on wta get those players in to wta where they belong and those players can make most money for themselves and the tours/backers

cull the other players and reduce the numbers concentrate the wealth

- "set a realistic and sustainable pathway that no longer accomodates 14,000 'professional' players"
- "provide emerging players a smoother pathway as they have an opportunity to earn points and more quickly establish themselves without having to face as many Top 400 players at entry level"
- "reduce the average age of players competing in the main draw of mens and womens $15,000 tournaments"
- "reduce the number of players playing on the Tour [...] which will result in an overall rise in player standards and contribute long-term to more players breaking even"
- intentionaly priced in min reduction of job oportunity (number of places available by reducing q fields ie a job for a pro is entering a pro tourney): 2019 men -32% of 2018; women -18% of 2018
- "Under the previous structure we had 14,000 players in 2013, 56% of male players and 54% of female players earned no prize money. This is simply not sustainable. It was not fair to them and it was not fair to the best emerging players whose transition to professional tennis was being blocked by the huge number of professional athletes above them.
- "A reduction in overall player numbers is desirable."
- "we are already seeing how the new structure is increasing opportunities for talented players who would have been blocked or forced to compete in more matches and at an earlier stage under the previous structure and allowing them to flourish."

etc

match fixing was mostly a monday morning quaterbacking routine (that where us sports buffs get to the office on monday and talk a perfect game about what they would have done in the matches just played wise after teh event) good to retrofit it after all of the above has been desided

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q1: TAYLOR, Ella (GBR) 611 def YASHINA, Ekaterina (RUS) 1 335 4-6 6-1 [10-8]
Q1: MOORE, Tara (GBR) 494 lost to TALABA, Gabriela (ROU) 8 403 6-7(2) 4-6
Q1: BARNETT, Alicia (GBR) 475 lost to ARCANGIOLI, Manon (FRA) 2 339 6-3 0-6 [4-10]
Q1: APPLETON, Emily (GBR) 723 lost to SABINO, Lisa (SUI) 7 396 3-6 6-1 [8-10]
Q1: ALLEN, Victoria (GBR) WC UNR lost to PARRIZAS-DIAZ, Nuria (ESP) 3 361 2-6 0-6
Q1: WILLIAM, Tiffany (GBR) WC UNR lost to WERNER, Caroline (GER) 10 413 2-6 6-2 [4-10]
Q1: STAFF, Holly (GBR) UNR WC lost to COLMEGNA, Martina (ITA) 12 452 6-2 4-6 [4-10]
Q1: HILL, Sasha (GBR) WC UNR lost to SCHOLSEN, Helene (BEL) 6 392 3-6 2-6

Q2: TAYLOR, Ella (GBR) 611 v TALABA, Gabriela (ROU) 8 403 CH=398 24/12/18

Peter too · Tennis legend

R1: ROBSON, Laura (GBR) WC 535 v SANCHEZ, Maria (USA) Q 369 CH=107 2013

R1: JONES, Francesca (GBR) (IR) 469 v SERBAN, Raluca Georgiana (CYP) 3 219 CH=214 17/12/18
H2H 0-1 Santa Margherita Di Pula 2018 SERBAN 2-6 3-6

R1: LUMSDEN, Maia (GBR) 325 v CRISTIAN, Jaqueline Adina (ROU) 328 CH=201 19/3/18

R1: BURRAGE, Jodie Anna (GBR) WC 345 v OZGEN, Pemra (TUR) 7 236 CH=207 2014
H2H 0-3
Sharm El Sheikh 2017 Ozgen 2-6 1-6
Sharm El Sheikh 2017 Ozgen 2-6 1-6
Woking 2018 Ozgen 3-6 5-7

R1: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) WC 627 v TALABA, Gabriela (ROU) Q 402 CH=398 24/12/18

R1: CHRISTIE, Freya (GBR) WC 505 v ARCANGIOLI, Manon (FRA) Q 340 CH=268 2015

Updated to include qualifiers.

-- Edited by Peter too on Monday 18th of February 2019 10:07:07 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Sorry if I was taken as being patronising.

I certainly didn't intend to be. I thought "conspiracy stuff" was descriptive and certainly I can see some reasoning for it.

Grachka · County player

Ella Taylor GBR 2-6 3-4* (8) Gabriela Talaba ROU

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Scary to think that Emma's about 10 years younger than Laura. They've both got qualifiers, so it'll be interesting to see how they do.

TomTraubert · Futures level

indiana wrote:
Sorry if I was taken as being patronising.

I certainly didn't intend to be. I thought "conspiracy stuff" was descriptive and certainly I can see some reasoning for it.

ah im probly just oscar the grouch coz of tootheache and over reacted

sorry

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

Long way back for Ella, *3-5

Poor Georgia Brescia. She was 9-5 up in her MTB, with in play odds of 1/150 vs 20/1. I assumed she would win with her 4 match points, but checked back in later to see she lost it 13-15, she'll be gutted as she's about 200 places off her career high. Bet you wouldn't have minded a 10p in play on her opponent CD.

flamingowings · All-time great

the addict wrote:
Doubles Draw

L16:- Jaqueline Adina CRISTIAN (ROU)/Raluca Georgiana SERBAN (CYP) [1] 406 (220+186)v Victoria ALLEN (GBR)/ Sasha HILL (GBR) UNR (UNR+UNR)
L16:- Freya CHRISTIE (GBR)/Jana FETT (CRO) 691 (247+444) v Miriam Bianca BULGARU (ROU)/Cristina ENE (ROU) 1226 (477+749)
In the bottom half of the draw

L16:- Julyette Maria Josephine STEUR (GER)/Marina YUDANOV (SWE) 1398 (676+722) v Alicia BARNETT (GBR)/Georgia BRESCIA (ITA) 953 (503+450)
L16:- Aleksandra PITAK (GBR)/Katarzyna PITAK (GBR) UNR (UNR+UNR) v Nuria PARRIZAS-DIAZ (ESP)/Ekaterina YASHINA (RUS) [4] 633 (480+153)

L16:- Tara MOORE (GBR)/Caroline WERNER (GER) 700 (195+505) v Emily APPLETON (GBR)/Helene SCHOLSEN (BEL) 693 (471+222)

Emily Appleton should be bolded too smile