Racism and Discrimination

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Racism and Discrimination

junior · Intermediate Club Player

Lists don't work fine if it's selective

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

junior wrote:
Lists don't work fine if it's selective

They're only selective in that they only cover the top 20 or so swear words - if you know and use some obscure ones, you'll escape - unless some spectator/other person picks it up and reports it.

But most people tend to use pretty common ones so it's not an issue.

junior · Intermediate Club Player

You've just described selectivity

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

junior wrote:
You've just described selectivity

Yes. And then described why it's not particularly damaging. And, anyway, there's no other real way round it. Short of having every umpire being completely multilingual.

christ · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
junior wrote:
You've just described selectivity
Yes. And then described why it's not particularly damaging. And, anyway, there's no other real way round it. Short of having every umpire being completely multilingual.

There is another way: stop penalising non-targeted swearwords in any language. Insulting the opponent should still be penalised of course.

(Edit: except for in the post-match interviews, obviously.)

-- Edited by christ on Friday 18th of June 2021 04:01:55 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, it's a reasonable point, Chris. And I have no problem with bad language, I really don't care, it must be the French background :)

But I would still outlaw homophobic and racist insults. Use other swear words. Simples.

indiana · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, it's a reasonable point, Chris. And I have no problem with bad language, I really don't care, it must be the French background :)

But I would still outlaw homophobic and racist insults. Use other swear words. Simples.

It shouldn't be that difficult to avoid using such ( clearly offensive to many ) insults, including audibly to yourself, unless it comes all too naturally to yoo.

christ · Futures level

Yup. Hence the non-targeted.

indiana · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
Yup. Hence the non-targeted.

And I meant that I would penalise all audible clearly homophobic and racist swearing including non-targetted.

junior · Intermediate Club Player

Good idea, however it would mean a near endless line of fines and point deductions/penalisations.

christ · Futures level

indiana wrote:
christ wrote:
Yup. Hence the non-targeted.
And I meant that I would penalise all audible clearly homophobic and racist swearing including non-targetted.

Aha. And presumably heterophobic, and anything-else-phobic too, and doubtless size-ist and ability-ist and anything-else-ist. So, back to the language problem.

indiana · Tennis legend

Just because it is clearly open to allegations of inconsistencies with folks' many different thoughts on the many ists doesn't mean you don't try to do something.

Better punishing certain things and letting some go, which some folk might have a real issue with, then doing nothing.

Just looking the other way because it may be difficult and/or seem inconsistent, with whatabouteries always ready to have their say, is no answer.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, it's a reasonable point, Chris. And I have no problem with bad language, I really don't care, it must be the French background :)

But I would still outlaw homophobic and racist insults. Use other swear words. Simples.

Call me old fashioned, but I dont like listening to people swearing, especially by Junior players. Really dont want to hear some 13-16 year old calling his opponent a f***ing ginger c*** or complaining about being F***ing bagled. Not necessary..

junior · Intermediate Club Player

Yes it's completely unnecessary but that's a different can of worms, ethics & values taught to the person/player. Not what might get punished or not, is match fixing worse than some intimidation tactics and/or insulting of others beliefs and/or orientations?