Looking again at that Eden win and how it's put out, that really is a cracking win. The Spaniard is ranked over 100 places higher, is 3 years younger and while having more of a home ITF circuit, probably wouldn't have got as many opportunities as Eden. Great stuff and looks a convincing scoreline.
I am pretty optimistic about this year, this group of players here are really pushing themselves ie on the cusp of their talent level, they will loose plenty and win some rounds. The younger players with realistic chances of wins at 25K or above are all playing fed cup even Emma R, shame Fran wasnt there too.
To be frank Harriet and Katie Boulter out performed my expectations for them last year, Katie Swan is ticking along nicely, Fran and Emma R transitioning from juniors. I think we will see Jo maintain a place in the top 50 for the next 5 years hopefully closer to 10 than 40, Hev will hover around the 100 and hopefully the other girls mentioned continue to push on and through.
Katie Boulter has done this and s now top 100 with a better all round game than Naomi who has drifted a bit but did amazingly well to get where she got too with the tools she has, perhaps there may be a way back and Laura R has been playing some tennis. Compared to where we were two or three years ago this is Bostin! Glass definitely half full
-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Tuesday 5th of February 2019 04:34:48 AM
ace ventura spake:
"I'd love more GB players in the top 400-500 and see if they can push on further after, so you could at least find a stream, but I follow so much general tennis (and other sport) that I don't really want to invest more in someone who's clearly not going to have much impact on my life"
that seem a fair sum up of it yes people consentrate on the players they think will give them some return and something to get stuck into
that mean that the majority of our players - those that historical plug away at $10/15k and the odd $25k - are mostly irelevant even her in the bastion of gb suport if they do good then fine but week to week and match to match they not even an afterthought
to which
indiana spake:
"Tom, to say "almost all folk even here don't care about these events" or the players in them is the stuff of nonsense"
but its not you just have to look at the number of views and responses per match to these players eg sharm last week we had 4 players singles and dubs and 3 pretty good wins and now 1135 views on 23 updates or about now that not 1123 people interest as it about 50 views per update in a home for gb tennis suport - that 50 hardcore and at a guestimation about ~75 total care about it - if they don't care about it here then there not many other places that suport is going to manifest itself - it representative of the real level
it not a condemnation just a statement of fact most people even here dont really care if the pitaks reach wr500 or tiffany reach a qf etc whatever milestones or goals they and other $15k grinders do or dont make
*never kno what to do when you make tangent as this now fills up a $25k thread with unrealted stuff but there aint no elegant way to break it out so sorry for cloggin this one up
I'm with TomT in that I like a lot of GB players to follow at low level, just for interest sake. And, just personally, I liked following all the quali players at the weekend (it seemed a 'weekend' sort of thing to do) and I miss it.
But I agree with most above that the situation for the women is looking pretty promising.
And I don't agree (unfortunately) that if we don't have the 15k players now, then there'll be nothing in the pipeline for the top level.
I fear that the federations will take care of their own and Matilda Mut, Holly Fischer (if fit) etc. for instance, will have their wildcards into WTA scoring events and will not really need 15ks.
The likes of Katie B are largely where they are due to wildcards too (not complaining, it's a very good use of wildcards, and that's what they're for, but she's hardly like a player from a tiny country who's had to work her way up through every level purely on results).
Now, I don't agree with the system - it means you're going to have to court favour with the federation even more than normal.
And you risk losing a couple of players who come through later or are not the favoured few.
But 15ks are not really the feeder system in the UK, and haven't been for quite a few years. So it won't make a huge difference to the look of GB tennis.
Lots of interesting points made here. I do follow all the GB women at all levels, right down to the British Tour, and agree with much that has been said on both sides.
I'm with TomT in that I like a lot of GB players to follow at low level, just for interest sake. And, just personally, I liked following all the quali players at the weekend (it seemed a 'weekend' sort of thing to do) and I miss it.
But I agree with most above that the situation for the women is looking pretty promising. And I don't agree (unfortunately) that if we don't have the 15k players now, then there'll be nothing in the pipeline for the top level. I fear that the federations will take care of their own and Matilda Mut, Holly Fischer (if fit) etc. for instance, will have their wildcards into WTA scoring events and will not really need 15ks. The likes of Katie B are largely where they are due to wildcards too (not complaining, it's a very good use of wildcards, and that's what they're for, but she's hardly like a player from a tiny country who's had to work her way up through every level purely on results). Now, I don't agree with the system - it means you're going to have to court favour with the federation even more than normal. And you risk losing a couple of players who come through later or are not the favoured few. But 15ks are not really the feeder system in the UK, and haven't been for quite a few years. So it won't make a huge difference to the look of GB tennis.
Yes, I also miss following some of the q scores over the weekends, certainly makes the weekends now much emptier regards tennis, unless we have one or two finalists.
But one other point you make there CD, is that the wall that now exists between W25s and W15s is now much greater than just the UK not putting on W15 tournaments. Previously our players could still go to Sharm or elsewhere in Europe for a few weeks, complete their 3 W15 counters, and then be relatively free to move on, as their standard improved. Now you cannot pick up WTA counters that way, you only can by not just entering 3 W25 tournaments, but having to get at least to winning a FQR match to get the first solitary W25 point. So if you are trying to do this under your own steam, the wall is such it will be incredibly hard to climb. It's such a blatantly unfair and unjust system, it feels it should be illegal, but I guess the main tennis tours can do what the hell they like unless their own players strike, which they won't. Also from Steven's twitter post, it seems the ITF sold its soul to the betting companies, and is the major reason the separate point systems have been established. I wish them ill will, they don't deserve to exist for selling out their players that way.
Lots of interesting points made here. I do follow all the GB women at all levels, right down to the British Tour, and agree with much that has been said on both sides.