Davis Cup 2019

the addict · Tennis legend

Davis Cup 2019

wolf · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
wolf wrote:
Like seriously, anyone know if the zonals taking place this year?
Here you go, zones will be drawn now non qualifiers known
https://www.daviscup.com/en/news/300730.aspx

Thanks.

So every nation plays only one home or away tie every year? Unless have a wildcard, in which case you have zero.

Some of the teams only have to lose one match and they get relegated?

Have they delibrately engineered it so there's an even number of teams in each group?

JonH · All-time great

the addict wrote:
Steven re-teweeted this earlier today, which explains the draw

twitter.com/SchoolerSport/status/1092420579200765953

And as a result, if GB make it through the RR

"Thus potential QF v Argentina & SF v France for GB"

Thanks, wow. Without Andy, even if we reach the knockout stage, we won't go much further

JonH · All-time great

and here is the list of nations in the zonal events, draw tomorrow

www.daviscup.com/en/news/300712.aspx

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

This is a copy but should have been in the up-to-date Davis Cup thread:

"It may be in the English speaking news as well but there is major uproar about the lower echelons of the Davis Cup in the French news feeds today.

Seemingly, various countries, including Monaco (hence French interest) battled hard last year to go up from Group III or to stay in Group II, beating certain other teams along the way (obviously).

And now everything has been recalculated based on 'official team rankings' and those other teams have now effectively been promoted and the ones who won been relegated.

To note, Monaco beat Bulgaria last year in the GIII play-offs to go up, only to find that suddenly now Bulgaria has been promoted up above them and they stay down....

Poland also got completely shafted it would seem - won the play-offs to go up to G1 and now find themselves in GIII, if I understood right. And Luxembourg won their play off to stay up in GII and have now gone down.

On top of which, Monaco say they weren't even informed, just found out by chance by seeing the website.

To say that the reforms are not popular is an understatement......"

flamingowings · All-time great

GB Group E with Kazakhstan (hey, them again!) and Netherlands

flamingowings · All-time great

2nd stage draw is here

The rest of the groups are here (better link, more detail)

-- Edited by flamingowings on Thursday 14th of February 2019 07:17:18 PM

JonH · All-time great

That is quite possibly the best draw we could get. Beats Croatia Spain group !

JonH · All-time great

Last 8 match tough but hey

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

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www.hotelmadridpraga.com/en/

I have stayed there several times when going to the Madrid Masters. If you like a brisk walk along by the river, it is walking distance from the venue. If you prefer a taxi, it is less then 10 euros each way.

indiana · Tennis legend

The more I look at this the worse 6 groups of 3 with the group winners and two best runners up looks as a system.

All the runners up will be on 1 win since the groups will finish 2/1/0 or 1/1/1.

So even without any groups that finish 1/1/1 ( and the odds are surely on at least one ) the order of all the runners up will be decided by individual matches won within ties then no doubt sets and games ( personally I hate sets and game deciders when tennis to me is really about winning matches in whatever way ). Any 1/1/1 groups will just add to the complications.

I take it this lot are in league with the separate main and transition tour rankings proponents to try and make following tennis as complex as it can possibly be

Why couldn't it have been 24 nations if they were going this groups of 3 route?!

JonH · All-time great

indiana wrote:
The more I look at this the worse 6 groups of 3 with the group winners and two best runners up looks as a system.

All the runners up will be on 1 win since the groups will finish 2/1/0 or 1/1/1.

So even without any groups that finish 1/1/1 ( and the odds are surely on at least one ) the order of all the runners up will be decided by individual matches won within ties then no doubt sets and games ( personally I hate sets and game deciders when tennis to me is really about winning matches in whatever way ). Any 1/1/1 groups will just add to the complications.

I take it this lot are in league with the separate main and transition tour rankings proponents to try and make following tennis as complex as it can possibly be

Why couldn't it have been 24 nations if they were going this groups of 3 route?!

24 nations? that would be the ATP Cup then!! But just when you think 8 groups of 3 is an obvious route to a clear set of QF's, no they decide to do 6 groups of 4 - meaning more best runners up scenarios ! There must be some company out there selling complicated rankings and events organisation methodologies making an absolute killing from all of this!!!

From the DC rules the way they decide groups is as below: so as you say, but with addition that the rankings could well come into play within a group if it is all 1-1-1.

59.2.3 The final standings in each group shall be determined by the following count-back calculation (i.e. determined by the first of the following methods that applies, following the order set out below): 59.2.3.1 greatest number of points; 59.2.3.2 if three Nations are tied, then the following order applies: (a) any Nation that has not played the other two Nations in its round robin group is automatically eliminated; (b) highest percentage of matches won; (c) highest percentage of sets won; (d) highest percentage of games won; then finally (e) the Nations positions on the Davis Cup Nations Ranking of the Monday of the week of the Finals Week.

59.2.3.3 As soon as the count-back calculation in Regulation 59.2.3.2 produces one superior Nation (first place) or one inferior Nation (third place), and the two remaining Nations are tied, the tie between those two Nations will be broken by their head-to-head record.

59.2.4 The two best runners-up Nations from all the groups in the round robin, and the two Nations finishing in 17th and 18th place (from the six Nations that finished last in their round robin groups), will be determined using the same count-back calculation described in this Regulation 59.2.3.2, save that head-to-head results will not be applicable

wolf · Tennis legend

José Morgado
@josemorgado
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Polish Tennis Federation is appealing to CAS because of their Davis Cup situation.

So, they won the Promotion Playoff to make the Euro Group 1 in 2019.

Ended up playing the group... 3(!).

ITF is ignoring the promotion/relegation Playoffs and all groups were defied by ranks

wolf · Tennis legend

Come across the schedule - http://www.andyschoolermedia.com/2019/03/21/davis-cup-finals-2019-schedule-results-draw-groups-standings-order-of-play/

Seen the tournament starts on the Monday, the day after the Tour Finals. Did no-one think starting later might be a good idea?? Looking at the schedule for Monday there are many potential players who could qualify for tour finals.

JonH · All-time great

wolf wrote:
Come across the schedule - http://www.andyschoolermedia.com/2019/03/21/davis-cup-finals-2019-schedule-results-draw-groups-standings-order-of-play/
Seen the tournament starts on the Monday, the day after the Tour Finals. Did no-one think starting later might be a good idea?? Looking at the schedule for Monday there are many potential players who could qualify for tour finals.

It's crazy isn't it I saw this on DC site a few days ago. They've 3 courts it seems and gb have two afternoon sessions on the 3rd court, clearly don't expect Andy to play !