Which of these British players is most likely to call it a day at the end of 2019 season?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Which of these British players is most likely to call it a day at the end of 2019 season?

Julia Carrot · All-time great

Well, Coup Droit, if you scroll back you will see there are three of us so far who have expressed disquiet concerning this poll, and probably for more profound reasons than you are alluding to.

-- Edited by Julia Carrot on Thursday 10th of January 2019 11:18:52 AM

Vandenburg · Futures level

Julia Carrot wrote:
Well, Coup Droit, if you scroll back you will see there are three of us so far who have expressed disquiet concerning this poll, and probably for more profound reasons than you are alluding to.

-- Edited by Julia Carrot on Thursday 10th of January 2019 11:18:52 AM

It appears the forum has descended to a new level of snowflake-ness

Yes- guessing which player may or may not retire at the end of the season is pure punditry. It is not like i am saying, oh I wonder which player will lose a limb and have to retire.

Imagine a football pundit or journalist, was asked, which team do you think will not finish top 4 and not qualify for the champions league this year, and the he/she says back "oh I will not answer this, is such a negative question"

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Julia Carrot wrote:
Well, Coup Droit, if you scroll back you will see there are three of us so far who have expressed disquiet concerning this poll, and probably for more profound reasons than you are alluding to.

-- Edited by Julia Carrot on Thursday 10th of January 2019 11:18:52 AM

I'm not denying your disquiet, Julia, nor your right to have it.

I'm just putting my view that I have no disquiet at all because it's a genuine tennis question - assessing tennis players' ages, their injuries, their other options, their level, what they've said on the subject - all of that is part of what following tennis is about (IMO) and having a poll of people's opinions of that is fine.

It's not as if anyone has come on here and said 'no idea who will quit but X certainly should, he/she's cr*p'.

flamingowings · All-time great

I think this is a reasonable discussion to be had. I mean, if we had all met up at a tournament, it could be a topic of discussion where potentially a coach/members of team/player/players friends could overhear.

Eta: I'm not sure how it's any different to people talking about Dan's failed drug test which some / most of the posts were not exactly flattering.

-- Edited by flamingowings on Thursday 10th of January 2019 01:26:02 PM

Michael D · All-time great

Yes, and frankly I don't see how any of the players could take offence at this. Let's be specific about Andy, since he's heading the poll. I doubt that he would say anything other than, yes, this is perfectly valid question and will depend a lot on how I perform and how I am feeling over the next few months. None of us are wishing him off the court, in fact we'd all prefer him to be able to compete as he was previously. But faced with the evidence that it is unlikely he can, the question, as CD says, is a perfectly valid tennis question.

KK · Club Coach

The part I was uncomfortable with was not the comments on Andy but the comments on those who might give up because they are not getting anywhere/not good enough.

As for the snowflake accusation - I teach at a university and am more than happy to cause offence to snowflakes!

Julia Carrot · All-time great

KK wrote:
The part I was uncomfortable with was not the comments on Andy but the comments on those who might give up because they are not getting anywhere/not good enough.
As for the snowflake accusation - I teach at a university and am more than happy to cause offence to snowflakes!

Well, I didn't even know what a snowflake was, and once I'd looked it up, not sure who was being implied as one, 'over pikkie' forumites or 'over sensitive' tennis players; maybe both, by different posters.

I'm leaving the discussion now. I don't feel it to be a very big deal, but don't regret making my initial comment and have learnt from others in their responses.

Michael D · All-time great

Michael D wrote:
Yes, and frankly I don't see how any of the players could take offence at this. Let's be specific about Andy, since he's heading the poll. I doubt that he would say anything other than, yes, this is perfectly valid question and will depend a lot on how I perform and how I am feeling over the next few months. None of us are wishing him off the court, in fact we'd all prefer him to be able to compete as he was previously. But faced with the evidence that it is unlikely he can, the question, as CD says, is a perfectly valid tennis question.

'Andy Murray is set to retire after Wimbledon in the summer but admitted the Australian Open could be his final tournament.'

I think this ends this poll. Extremely sad, but it was becoming inevitable cry

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/11/tearful-andy-murray-to-retire-after-2019-wimbledon-australian-open

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Thanks for breaking the news. He has had a fantastic career, I know one or two orthopaedic surgeons who operate on this group of patients and they have always been very pessimistic about a sustained return to top level tennis.

He has had an amazing career, achieved his goals surrounded by peers who will be considered all time greats. He has given an immense amount to British tennis at a number of levels and believe he has left a legacy in terms of the number of players inspired by him with the potential to play at the highest level. Kyle, specifically has benefited from his mentorship as have many others (all the Davis Cup team) and now he has a formal arrangement with Katie Swan and Aidan. I just hope his positive influence grows, I have thoroughly enjoyed his playing career and feel lucky that we have finally had an elite player at the top of the game for a sustained period in my lifetime, nothing to do with the LTA or British tennis and all to do with Andy, Judy and the rest of his family and coaches.

This is thread is classic click bait format one sees on blog aggregators without the adverts for mature dating site and PPI!

It is what it is, it is an open and pretty liberal forum this type of thread is Vandys plat de jour. if you dont like it dont comment. Silence is golden

This news is probably worthy of a new thread.

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Friday 11th of January 2019 07:31:36 AM

JonH · All-time great

I've been posting under Andy Murray on his thread overnight on this if that helps

christ · Futures level

OK. Much as I think that this sort of thing panders to what interests the public rather than being in the public interest, I decided to vote this morning.