Week 41 - Nigeria F4 - Lagos ($25,000+H) (hard)

christ · Futures qualifying

RE: Week 41 - Nigeria F4 - Lagos ($25,000+H) (hard)

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Bob in Spain wrote:
Still a very proud week for young Mukhtar and this result should not take the gloss off that fact.

If I played my 97 year old Gran in a WC and either she or I won should we be proud? Its nonsense to congratulate someone just because they won a WC rubber essentially against the tournament organisers son. The fact 16 yr old Jack double bagelled him tells you all you need to know here.

The mens should really follow suit the womens game to stop these nonsense rankings.

indiana · Tennis legend

I'd be pleased for you Jaggy if you won, taking advantage of the situation ( many toss away openings that arise ) though a bit sad for your Gran, I fear not many more opportunities for her.

While there are aspects of both the men's and women's ranking systems that I would personally have different I'd suggest that it is really impossible to find an overall system that doesn't produce anomalies and/or ways to work it. But in essence being able to point to plenty individuals that are arguably over or underranked doesn't stop the rankings system as a whole being reasonably fit for purpose in getting the best towards the top ( well excepting jammy Kyle of course

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Oakland2002 · All-time great

So you are not interested in an inner city 14 year old who has learnt his trade playing 250 times a year on a park court at £3 a go, I thought that was your bag. This may be that kid you were talking about last week.

Obviously biased because he is local and Yes a long way to go but definitely worthy of encouragement. It is a shame Gary Lewis doesn't post anymore, I think he is already a member of the A1 Pharmaceuticals team but could well be wrong.

indiana · Tennis legend

L16: (4) Jack Draper WR 623 beat (WC) Mukhtar Andu UNR by 6-0 6-0 ( 52 points to 13 )

QF: (4) Jack Draper WR 623 vs Tyler Lu (USA) WR 804 (CH 758 in June)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
christ wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Just come across this.
You can't just share stuff from your hard drive - you have to put it somewhere public (e.g. dropbox)
May I have a plain English translation of that, please? I'm when it comes to computer terminology. For the record, it's the second item down on this Google page.
At the risk of sounding condescending: Computers are, largely, private and only the person at it can see what it contains. Telling us where you have something stored on it is handy, but only if we can sit in front of it. It is possible (but not advisable) to change this. To share stuff so that other people can see it, you have to put it somewhere, and there are companies/ places where you can share. (Dropbox is an example), and then give us the address of the public location. For pictures this site makes a special case, and allows you to upload an image file directly to this website (attach it) when you want other people to see it.

Not condescending at all, at least not from my perspective. As I said earlier, I'm clueless on the IT front - I know enough to survive at work & that's my limit, so thank you. The file I tried to upload wasn't stored on my work computer as such, merely converted to a temporary PDF file, or at least, I think that was what I did so that I could actually read it... disbelief

Strongbow · All-time great

Stircrazy wrote:
christ wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
christ wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Just come across this.
You can't just share stuff from your hard drive - you have to put it somewhere public (e.g. dropbox)
May I have a plain English translation of that, please? I'm when it comes to computer terminology. For the record, it's the second item down on this Google page.
At the risk of sounding condescending: Computers are, largely, private and only the person at it can see what it contains. Telling us where you have something stored on it is handy, but only if we can sit in front of it. It is possible (but not advisable) to change this. To share stuff so that other people can see it, you have to put it somewhere, and there are companies/ places where you can share. (Dropbox is an example), and then give us the address of the public location. For pictures this site makes a special case, and allows you to upload an image file directly to this website (attach it) when you want other people to see it.
Not condescending at all, at least not from my perspective. As I said earlier, I'm clueless on the IT front - I know enough to survive at work & that's my limit, so thank you. The file I tried to upload wasn't stored on my work computer as such, merely converted to a temporary PDF file, or at least, I think that was what I did so that I could actually read it...

Stick it on the post as an attachment

JonH · All-time great

Strongbow wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
christ wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
christ wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Just come across this.
You can't just share stuff from your hard drive - you have to put it somewhere public (e.g. dropbox)
May I have a plain English translation of that, please? I'm when it comes to computer terminology. For the record, it's the second item down on this Google page.
At the risk of sounding condescending: Computers are, largely, private and only the person at it can see what it contains. Telling us where you have something stored on it is handy, but only if we can sit in front of it. It is possible (but not advisable) to change this. To share stuff so that other people can see it, you have to put it somewhere, and there are companies/ places where you can share. (Dropbox is an example), and then give us the address of the public location. For pictures this site makes a special case, and allows you to upload an image file directly to this website (attach it) when you want other people to see it.
Not condescending at all, at least not from my perspective. As I said earlier, I'm clueless on the IT front - I know enough to survive at work & that's my limit, so thank you. The file I tried to upload wasn't stored on my work computer as such, merely converted to a temporary PDF file, or at least, I think that was what I did so that I could actually read it...
Stick it on the post as an attachment

-- Edited by JonH on Wednesday 10th of October 2018 10:21:52 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, I was just going to say that, while good general advice, in this case SC subsequently gave a Google link.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 10th of October 2018 11:16:29 PM

Strongbow · All-time great

Apologies to SC - attaching a PDF doesn't seem to work - Google link the best option disbelief

Vandenburg · Futures level

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Still a very proud week for young Mukhtar and this result should not take the gloss off that fact.
If I played my 97 year old Gran in a WC and either she or I won should we be proud? Its nonsense to congratulate someone just because they won a WC rubber essentially against the tournament organisers son. The fact 16 yr old Jack double bagelled him tells you all you need to know here.
The mens should really follow suit the womens game to stop these nonsense rankings.

Here here.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Great to hear from you Vandy
And a great start to the day for the forum as Corbynisters and European Research Group unite on a common policy; the celebration of a likely fictional 97 year old Glaswegians defeat in the ultimate battle of the sexes and the ridicule of an actual British 14 year olds victory to become the youngest player in the world with an ATP point.
It beats kitchen furniture spam.

Vandenburg wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Still a very proud week for young Mukhtar and this result should not take the gloss off that fact.
If I played my 97 year old Gran in a WC and either she or I won should we be proud? Its nonsense to congratulate someone just because they won a WC rubber essentially against the tournament organisers son. The fact 16 yr old Jack double bagelled him tells you all you need to know here.
The mens should really follow suit the womens game to stop these nonsense rankings.
Here here.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Just to clarify there is no ridicule here at all, the post is to highlight the anomalies of the ranking system. Im all for the underdog and any access to the sport, I just find it patronising the tone that is taken in regards to such achievements.

Born2WinTennis · Club Coach

Getting a single world ranking point is an amazing achievement, irrespective of your age. For a 14 year old to win one while travelling to Lagos is even more amazing. Gregory Howe's book puts it into perspective. I think it shows a massive lack of respect to travelling tennis players (especially a 14 year old) for all the sacrifices they make, if you are claiming that he shouldn't be congratulated just because a random draw was kind to him.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Vandenburg wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Still a very proud week for young Mukhtar and this result should not take the gloss off that fact.
If I played my 97 year old Gran in a WC and either she or I won should we be proud? Its nonsense to congratulate someone just because they won a WC rubber essentially against the tournament organisers son. The fact 16 yr old Jack double bagelled him tells you all you need to know here.
The mens should really follow suit the womens game to stop these nonsense rankings.
Here here.

The main anomalies in ranking systems is only relevant for two more months so hardly a big deal.

And, given that Mukhtar drew the second seed the week before, the fact that he got an easier draw this week is just part and parcel of how draws come out.

I find it rather insulting to Paul Emmanuel that we're supposed to equate him to someone's (fictitious? ) 97 year-old Granny.

Emmanuel qualified - he was not a WC. He won two matches, including beating the third Q seed in qualis, in two sets. He's not chopped liver. Nor did he retire two games into Andu's match or anything like that. So when Andu beat him, why should we not celebrate that?

As an aside, my tongue-in-cheek comment last week about the African names/connections is backed up - the following article confirms his 'Nigerian origins':

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Rising_Stars/61517/14yearold-andu-mukhtar-wins-the-first-atp-point-for-2004-generation/