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JonH


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stevemcqueen wrote:

Absolutely, JonH!  Very few individuals are the "finished article" when they are just 16.  Teenagers are always going to have the occasional teenage moment, even if they live in the world of grown ups.    In elite sport, I think a certain degree of arrogance is essential. Learning how to come over as confident but not arrogant is tricky for most people, so I'm absolutely prepared to cut  a teenager some slack.  

I wonder what his mind set is right now?  I think youngsters often handle the spotlight better than their elders, I like the term "the fearlessness of youth".  With three Futures victories in four tournaments at the tender age of 16, it is hard to argue that he won't have a career as a pro tennis player.    It is a shame that he and his Dad don't speak, but unfortunately family break ups are common.  

I haven't looked at the stats a a whole lot, but at times his 1st service % was really poor, and this was commented on by other members of the board.  I have every confidence he'll get this sorted in short order.   An excellent prospect for the Challenger circuit next year!

 One thing to add, slightly tangentially, someone had posted some video of this final on Twitter. It had a big crowd, some real atmosphere and it looked like a big deal match for Futures level - I think it was mentioned that Lagos is aiming at Challenger status ( I know many years back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos_Open_(1976%E2%80%931991) the event was on the main ATP Tour, and it looks like it has been established some time at the current ITF level (and womens ITF) also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governors_Cup_Lagos_Open

But it seemed like a "big" event, and Jack at the end certainly celebrated it as such...somewhere on this twitter link around 23h ago there are highlights of the last game in the final

https://twitter.com/lagosopentennis 



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Michael D wrote:

On your two piles, ChrisT, I think most of us probably have 3, with a big neutral pile in the middle, and then a third with the (usually few) players we view with some antipathy, for whatever reasons.

 I agree, but I think that most of us tend to sort the "neutral" pile on an "as-desired" basis - if someone criticises a player from the undecided bunch (as you say, probably the majority) we tend to lean towards agreeing with the criticism (and sort of putting them in pile 2) or defending the player (and unconsciously putting them in pile 1).

This is often based on who is doing the criticising, or what the criticism is! As an example, I confess to having reassessed my view of Mr Edmunds in light of the near constant "challenger-level" barracking that he gets.



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Regarding the challenger level thing with Kyle, I'd certainly say that is a vocal minority ( and quite vocally opposed ). But then some folk being very vocal and repetitive maybe does influence some other people, either instinctively or to really think things through.



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I took against Jack at Wimbledon as I thought he was arrogant.  I disliked the way he encouraged the crowd to clap harder at the end of the match when he won.  However, I took on board someone's comments on this forum at the time that I should give a teenager some slack.  In the longer run this has made me happier in that I have been able to enjoy rather than be irritated by his triumphs of the last few weeks.   I suppose this is a milder example of the premise that it is the hater rather than the hated who suffers more from hatred.

 

   



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It was interesting to look at the GB players earnings this season from Live rankings today - I think it takes singles only, I could be wrong, but no appearance in list for any doubles guys:

1. Edmund $1.95m
2. Norrie $503k
3. Andy Murray $238k
4. Broady $141k (surpised me he was this high)
5. Clarke $134k
6. James Ward $75.4k
7. Evans $73.7k
8. Glasspool $29.4k
9. Alex Ward $24.5k
10. Jack Draper $18.4k probably all in past month or two?
11. McHugh $15.2k
12. Loffhagen $14.5k
13. Hoyt $13.2k
14. Gray $9.6k
15. Harris $8.9k
16. Klein $8.0k (v low despite poor season)
17. Whitehouse $7.3k (was surprised at gap to say Jack Draper)
18. Matusevich $7.1k
19. Pauffley $6.5k
20. Penniston $6.4k

Clearly shows those playing Challenger events and tour events, basically top 9 and then drop to Futures guys but with 4 young guys heading the way.

Not sure where this belongs but as we were talking about Jack Draper, I dropped it down here


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A big chunk of Jack's earnings will have come from the Wimbly qualifier wildcard. That's the gap to Whitehouse say.

Liam's number is also very much due to wildcards at Wimbledon.

Even so I'm surprised Jack's is that high, though.

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With Liam got to remember he was well inside the top 200 earlier in the year and playing Masters Qualies. Didnt he get to round two of one? That and playing all the grand slam Qualifying will have given him a good chunk. Wimbledon WC, as previously stated, also a fair bit of it.

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Pity it is singles only. I just looked up Jamie Murray on the ATP site - $690,214 this year. And Dom has won $269,918

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KK wrote:

I took against Jack at Wimbledon as I thought he was arrogant.  I disliked the way he encouraged the crowd to clap harder at the end of the match when he won.  However, I took on board someone's comments on this forum at the time that I should give a teenager some slack.  In the longer run this has made me happier in that I have been able to enjoy rather than be irritated by his triumphs of the last few weeks.   I suppose this is a milder example of the premise that it is the hater rather than the hated who suffers more from hatred.

 

   

 This made me chuckle.  Infused with a nice dose of humility perhaps.  And although you perceived Jack as arrogant, at Wimbledon, I think his earlier interview in Lagos ( did you see iti?)  showed him as being quite a grounded, and not at all arrogant, young man. 



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Quick question. How does Jack pick up 35 points for the win? I thought it was 27 for a 25k win?

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Reeltime wrote:

Quick question. How does Jack pick up 35 points for the win? I thought it was 27 for a 25k win?

 The plus H makes it a higher brand of tournament, essentially hospitality room and board I believe. From watching the footage it looks like a decent tournament.



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Julia Carrot wrote:
KK wrote:

I took against Jack at Wimbledon as I thought he was arrogant.  I disliked the way he encouraged the crowd to clap harder at the end of the match when he won.  However, I took on board someone's comments on this forum at the time that I should give a teenager some slack.  In the longer run this has made me happier in that I have been able to enjoy rather than be irritated by his triumphs of the last few weeks.   I suppose this is a milder example of the premise that it is the hater rather than the hated who suffers more from hatred.

 

   

 This made me chuckle.  Infused with a nice dose of humility perhaps.  And although you perceived Jack as arrogant, at Wimbledon, I think his earlier interview in Lagos ( did you see iti?)  showed him as being quite a grounded, and not at all arrogant, young man. 

Agree with Julia, I've only seen 3 interviews with Jack but thought he came across in each of them as level-headed, mature and realistic with regards to his tennis and also polite and respectful towards the interviewer.



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thanx.    I missed the +h.    all in all, that makes it a really good week...   2nd highest ranked player under 18....



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He was very polite to John McEnroe when he was 14, showed absolute focus (even at 14) a self confidence consistent with his aspiration, McEnroes comment was we need more like Jack. I just wish him well. 
Priesty wrote:

Julia Carrot wrote:

KK wrote:

I took against Jack at Wimbledon as I thought he was arrogant.  I disliked the way he encouraged the crowd to clap harder at the end of the match when he won.  However, I took on board someone's comments on this forum at the time that I should give a teenager some slack.  In the longer run this has made me happier in that I have been able to enjoy rather than be irritated by his triumphs of the last few weeks.   I suppose this is a milder example of the premise that it is the hater rather than the hated who suffers more from hatred.

 

   

 This made me chuckle.  Infused with a nice dose of humility perhaps.  And although you perceived Jack as arrogant, at Wimbledon, I think his earlier interview in Lagos ( did you see iti?)  showed him as being quite a grounded, and not at all arrogant, young man. 

Agree with Julia, I've only seen 3 interviews with Jack but thought he came across in each of them as level-headed, mature and realistic with regards to his tennis and also polite and respectful towards the interviewer.

 



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Jaggy1876 wrote:
Reeltime wrote:

Quick question. How does Jack pick up 35 points for the win? I thought it was 27 for a 25k win?

 The plus H makes it a higher brand of tournament, essentially hospitality room and board I believe. From watching the footage it looks like a decent tournament.

 Definitely  - as said above, they have come from a decent background of a main ATP Tour event and I think want to move back to Challenger Status

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos_Open_(1976%E2%80%931991)

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governors_Cup_Lagos_Open

https://twitter.com/lagosopentennis 



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