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Michael D · All-time great

RE: Transitional tour

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The ITF rankings still seem important to me so just to mention a few notable moves this week:

Lloyd +30 to 102
Jonny G +13 to 334

Stuart Parker - NEW IN at 1285

Jake Hersey +23 to 1594
Alex Romay +975 to 2315

In the women:

Emily App +4 to 21
Ola Pitak +50 to 426

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

Emily benefits from a quirk in the transition from WTA to ITF rankings. She only moves up because of the unusual situation that week 2 points from this year have been added but week 2 points from last year don't drop off until next week. She would otherwise have fallen a few places with a net loss of 30 points from week 2.

-- Edited by RedSquirrel on Tuesday 22nd of January 2019 10:41:50 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

In the ITF rankings this week for the women, practically everyone in the lower ranks seems to have gone up +10 to +20 places.

At the top end, we have:

Fran +17 to 28
Emily App -20 to 41
Emma Rad +2 to 99

indiana · Tennis legend

Good stuff.

Though I am sure I and many others will take quite a time to get a feel for the transition ITF rankings in them being purely points for the lower subsection of tournaments, involving players that may separately have played say lots of 25K plus tournaments, and seperately have points for these, and those players who just play ITF 15Ks for now.

So we don't have the generally ordering that a player higher ranked was more generally 'better' that exists with the single ranking system, albeit with some inevitable anomalies.

Certainly I just view the ITF rankings ( and thanks for the updates ) but make no effort to personally update them ahead or really follow how they come about as I do with the WRs.

I guess though for the players just try to keep winning, rise in whatever ranking table(s) and still look to that in time to help them make progress to bigger tournaments.

But certainly in general for players and followers it makes rankings and progress more difficult to relate to, after in previous years authorities' attempts to make their single rankings systems clearer.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Assume this is general now ???

Susan Bandecchi highlighting that there were no chair umpires for the qualis in the 25k event, on hard court, in Slovakia.

So linecalls are now at the discretion of the players.

As she says, and those who've been part of lower tennis know, it's not even a question of cheating, as such, it's honest mistakes, mistakes because you WANT the ball to be out so much, no mistake but the other players thinks there is and then calls the next one wrong to 'get even', etc. etc.
As Susan says, of course, in lower tennis there is no money for chair umpire for all matches.
But at a 25K? When the ITF is saying about money going down the chain. Helping lower players. etc. etc. And the importance of stopping cheating.

Peter too · Tennis legend

It's getting really tough for newer players to get into events without a WC. Esther Adeshina UNR/UNR applied for 4 events without success and 18 year old Olivia Sonnekus-Williams UNR/1222 applied for 6 events without success.

the addict · Tennis legend

Olivia's actually applied for 12 events over the last 4 weeks, and only got in once - at Palmanova last week where she lost in QR1 against the Q4 seed. And there are a number of GB women in the same position, not just those in the lower ITF rankings. Last week was a bit better with so many playing Fed cup - 18 players put in entries and 12 got to play (W25 and W15 only).

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

12/0/2/19

ITF ranking changes of note:

Tara +16 to 432
Freya +19 to 733

Emily W-S -101 to 201

wolf · Tennis legend

Some interesting posts by EWS on twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ews24/with_replies

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

And yet Amelia Stuart, who has always been unranked, gets into 15k main draw as the 11th highest entrant....... (coz players who played a lot of qualis last year now have quite decent ITF points based on not a lot).

the addict · Tennis legend

To be fair though CD - that must be one of the weakest 15k's you'll ever see (other than the odd week of Sharm). Only 8 WR players in the main draw (and only another 32 entered).

Em shows us what the players get when they log in - pretty depressing.

Michael D · All-time great

This whole new transition tour only makes me very angry/ sad. What happens when an organisational body cares about the money more than the players. It also has them over a barrel. It's not exactly possible for the WR 250-800 players to breakaway and form a new association. The current ITF structure is not fit for purpose but they not going to disband themselves, and it doesn't seem to me that the players as a body have the ability to get rid of a leadership that is not even pretending to serve their interests any longer.

I thought that the bit about the WTA/ATP offering the ITF ranking points as long as they discontinued the sale of data in the smaller tournaments but the ITF refused preferring the income, which I believe is about 5k per 15k tournament (?) was very telling. So that's why we have this godawful dual points system now and the players being screwed with regard to entries. How much is that income? For the women if there are 4 W15s a week, that's $20k a week, and if there are 50 weeks of play approx a year, that's a $1 mill worth of income for the women, more for the men, because the M25s are mostly included too.

But for heaven's sake, in a sport as rich as this, the ITF can't find $1 mill to avoid destroying the spirit of the game and completely disheartening the players they are meant to serve by destroying their pathway into the sport?

TomTraubert · Futures level

i dont get why everyone is so upset - you can only be upset if you dont accept why this is all being done

again nothing to do with the itf
this all stems from the atp - the idea is to decimate the sport - and more - and it working - like how boxing got splintered for money to the very few - this just stage one - soon atp will say that itf aint fit for purpose and withdraw further and take everyhting in house to about 100-150 people
itf just left scrambling trying to provide a structure at short notice - what they did was bad and hung on the canard of match fixing concerns but thats small beer compared to the atp coup

this year and next big upheeval by design ruin the landscape and rush in and claim the spoils under the banner of saving the game
its about money capitalism and that by requirement doesnt care about low ranked players livelihoods because if it did it would lower the potensial return on investment

always remember this is designed to fail and to cull the ranks of players trying to make a living from playing tennis matches and events
if you presume good intent then you misplaced

The Realist · Junior player

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/community_petitions/The_international_tennis_federation_The_ITF_to_change_the_system_Bigger_qualifying_draws_and_more_tournaments/details/?fbclid=IwAR0tlB582jHbDknhLwTwrYIkeDUC7f1BGAsJDd2MjZ-VfTVhVTS98wfGXwc

Petition to change the system

I believe a facebook group has also been set up by some of the players to try and get the new system changed and that the powers that be have told the top 100/200 players that they are not allowed to get involved in it