Week 38 - ITF ($15K) - Monastir, Tunisia Hard

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Week 38 - ITF ($15K) - Monastir, Tunisia Hard

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

On livescores, although not on the ITF site, Danielle and partner are now shown as having won their QF by walkover too

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Now confirmed on the site so we will definitely have a GB player in the final as Danielle+ play the winner of Anna P+/Helena J-F+ in the semis

Strongbow · All-time great

biggrin biggrin biggrin - Nice doubles points here smile

typo

-- Edited by Strongbow on Thursday 20th of September 2018 09:59:24 PM

telstar · Strong Club Player

getIStrongbow wrote:
- Nice doubles points here
typo

-- Edited by Strongbow on Thursday 20th of September 2018 09:59:24 PM

As they haven't yet played a match, will Danielle and partner still get points if they lose the semi?

-- Edited by telstar on Thursday 20th of September 2018 10:08:47 PM

Strongbow · All-time great

telstar wrote:
getIStrongbow wrote:
- Nice doubles points here
typo

-- Edited by Strongbow on Thursday 20th of September 2018 09:59:24 PM
As they haven't yet played a match, will Danielle and partner still get points if they lose the semi?

-- Edited by telstar on Thursday 20th of September 2018 10:08:47 PM

My understanding (possibly confused) is that if they play the next match they get the ful points. The rules on walkovers are not easy to understand.

b. Walkovers

The following rules will apply to the cases outlined below:

i. If a player or team receives a walkover in the 1st round, and there is no Alternate or Lucky Loser to take the spot, or if a player or team receives a walkover in a subsequent round without having yet played a match, the player or team will receive ranking points from the round preceding her/their elimination.

ii. A player or team who receives a walkover in any round except the 1st round after having played and won a match shall be awarded ranking points for the walkover from their opponent. For any disciplinary default occurring in a Tournament after the match begins, the advancing player or team will be awarded ranking points over her/their opponent or team.

H J-F+ have played and won a match (case ii) so full points. DD+ haven't (case i) - so if they lose the SF they would get 1 point.

Good Luck with the rules and the games biggrin

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

Based on the points awarded in other cases* where doubles teams have received w/o or a bye and a w/o in their first two matches, and then lost the first match played, you get 1st round loser points, which in this case being a 15K is 0.

My interpretation based on how it has been applied is this
In the 1st round every player starts with 1st round loser points.
In the second round, players that won the first round start the match with first round winner points; players that got a bye or w/o start the match with the points from the first round, ie 1st round loser points.
In the third round round, players that have played and won a match start the match with second round winner points; players that haven't yet played start the match with the points they had in the previous round, which was the 1st round loser points they had carried over from the first round
And so on

So if you haven't yet played and won a match the points "in the round preceeding the team's elimination" will always be 1st round loser points because you don't receive winners points for progressing to any round until you play and win a match.

In other words, the rule is
Until a player or team receiving a bye or walkover(s) has played and won a match they will receive 1st round loser points. A player or team receiving a walkover that has played and won a match in a previous round, will receive full ranking points as if they had played and won the match.

* Tara, Porto, week 30
* Bouzkova/Branstine, Granby, week 30

-- Edited by RedSquirrel on Friday 21st of September 2018 05:57:15 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Great explanation Red Squirrel and it ties in with rule 1 of Strongbow's post - if you get a w/o, you get the points from the preceding round.
Which, as you say, goes back to R1, which is 0.
Which seems fair - you shouldn't get points for getting to a final (say) if you've not even won a match.
You obviously get the prize money. And you get the +H benefits, if it's a +H event. After all, you're in the event.
But you don't deserve ranking points without winning - it distorts things.

Michael D · All-time great

The walkovers here are continuing with Helena and her partner Bhuvana Kalva withdrawing, after Bhuvana retired from her QF singles this morning. We are still guaranteed a doubles finalist though, the SF that is due up later now being:

SF: Nadia Echeverria Alam/ Anna Popescu (VEN/GBR) [1] 1657 (928+729) vs Danielle Daley/ Daria Kazantseva (GBR/RUS) UNR (1330+UNR)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

So both Anna+ and Danielle+ are playing their first doubles matches, and it's already the SFs....

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

SF: Nadia Echeverria Alam/ Anna Popescu (VEN/GBR) [1] 1657 (928+729) def. Danielle Daley/ Daria Kazantseva (GBR/RUS) UNR (1330+UNR) 7-6(3) 6-1

Michael D · All-time great

Anna and Nadia's final opponents are an interesting match of a talented but unranked junior (Biagianti is 17yrs with a JCH:108), and an experienced older player with a high current doubles ranking, especially for a 15k tournament.

F: Nadia Echeverria Alam/ Anna Popescu (VEN/GBR) [1] 1657 (928+729) vs Martina Biagianti/ Claudia Giovine (ITA/ITA) UNR (UNR+262)

SuperT · Futures level

I always think it's great to see an experienced senior player partnering an inexperienced youngster. Leyton Hewitt does it with the young Australians - albeit at a higher level than this - but it's the same principle.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Not to be but well done all the same:

F: Nadia Echeverria Alam/ Anna Popescu (VEN/GBR) [1] 1657 (928+729) lost to Martina Biagianti/ Claudia Giovine (ITA/ITA) UNR (UNR+262) 6-1 6-2