Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open, Flushing Meadows - Men's Singles (Hard)

paulisi · Tennis legend

RE: Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open, Flushing Meadows - Men's Singles (Hard)

Nix · Futures level

indiana wrote:
Why the heck is Kyle cramping so relatively early ?

It has been a problem in the past of course which he seemed to have sorted out.

It's a very sad watch.

Theyre saying on commentary that the US Open is a tournament you really need to prepare well for and his tonsillitis basically mucked up his prep, not being able to do the stamina work. It really gets hot in the stadia from my experience.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, no repeat at all of Kyle's great Australian Open run which started in R1 with (11) Kevin Anderson, which by his own fine win there helped open the immediate following rounds and later had that QF win against (3) Dimitrov so he finally emerged from that quarter by also beating the highest seed in that quarter.

But some folk want to continue to spin another tale and/or totally discount it all whatever mention is made of such.

It certainly wasn't the worst overall draw but the repetitive rewrite to a lucky / fortunate run gets rather irritating even if at times ignored.

I wish ( as no doubt does Kyle!) that there had been better follow-up through the rest of the year but it was a fine couple of weeks.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 27th of August 2018 07:02:54 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Anyway, there's certainly something(s) not right.

Recent big defeats, Bob's concern about him in the match against Shapovalov when he evidently was getting really short of breath and seemed to want to shorten points as much as possible, etc.

Not saying he couldn't play better but if he hasn't already he needs thoroughly checked out. And they need to get to the bottom of why he has so cramped again. All may be linked, who knows ...

flamingowings · All-time great

I often think, with no real knowledge whatsoever is that players do not take the time to rest and recover properly thereby prolonging whatever is ailing them.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Anyway, there's certainly something(s) not right.

Recent big defeats, Bob's concern about him in the match against Shapovalov when he evidently was getting really short of breath and seemed to want to shorten points as much as possible, etc.

Not saying he couldn't play better but if he hasn't already he needs thoroughly checked out. And they need to get to the bottom of why he has so cramped again. All may be linked, who knows ...

Sadly it brings back memories of when Kyle had that mystery debilitating illness that in the end saw him hospitalized and taking a full three months off. Not saying this is the same thing, but I don't think he has been fit since Wimbledon. Something it definitely not right.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

indiana wrote:
Yes, no repeat at all of Kyle's great Australian Open run which started in R1 with (11) Kevin Anderson, which by his own fine win there helped open the immediate following rounds and later had that QF win against (3) Dimitrov so he finally emerged from that quarter by also beating the highest seed in that quarter.

But some folk want to continue to spin another tale and/or totally discount it all whatever mention is made of such.

It certainly wasn't the worst overall draw but the repetitive rewrite to a lucky / fortunate run gets rather irritating even if at times ignored.
I wish ( as no doubt does Kyle!) that there had been better follow-up through the rest of the year but it was a fine couple of weeks.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 27th of August 2018 06:43:22 PM

Indiana your post is obviously aimed at me so Ill clarify a few points for you here. The Aus Open run was very fortunate, it was a poor Slam in a lot of ways, many top players out or half-fit. Anderson is beatable if his serve isnt on and Dimitrov as weve seen this year is very erratic and inconstant. The relevance of this and some clever points gathering is that expectation is too high, which has been evident here by people looking to see who he will meet in quarters/last 16 etc. He isnt Andy Murray and never will be in terms of level so this is plain daft. And he isnt a top 16 player in reality. Any disappointment in his result therefore must be looked at objectively and realistically. Lorenzi plays almost exclusively on clay, is 36 years old and hasnt played on hard court since January.

Anyway lets see how Cam gets on now, more potential in Cam than Kyle after and will be our number 1 or 2 in a few months post Australia Open, depending on where Andy is of course.

Nix · Futures level

Jaggy1876 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Yes, no repeat at all of Kyle's great Australian Open run which started in R1 with (11) Kevin Anderson, which by his own fine win there helped open the immediate following rounds and later had that QF win against (3) Dimitrov so he finally emerged from that quarter by also beating the highest seed in that quarter.

But some folk want to continue to spin another tale and/or totally discount it all whatever mention is made of such.

It certainly wasn't the worst overall draw but the repetitive rewrite to a lucky / fortunate run gets rather irritating even if at times ignored.
I wish ( as no doubt does Kyle!) that there had been better follow-up through the rest of the year but it was a fine couple of weeks.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 27th of August 2018 06:43:22 PM
Indiana your post is obviously aimed at me so Ill clarify a few points for you here. The Aus Open run was very fortunate, it was a poor Slam in a lot of ways, many top players out or half-fit. Anderson is beatable if his serve isnt on and Dimitrov as weve seen this year is very erratic and inconstant. The relevance of this and some clever points gathering is that expectation is too high, which has been evident here by people looking to see who he will meet in quarters/last 16 etc. He isnt Andy Murray and never will be in terms of level so this is plain daft. And he isnt a top 16 player in reality. Any disappointment in his result therefore must be looked at objectively and realistically. Lorenzi plays almost exclusively on clay, is 36 years old and hasnt played on hard court since January.
Anyway lets see how Cam gets on now, more potential in Cam than Kyle after and will be our number 1 or 2 in a few months post Australia Open, depending on where Andy is of course.

Whether or not hes a top 16 player is a fair argument. Im not sure judging his potential based on this match is fair at all. Im not sure if you saw any of it but he could barely stand up straight. Kudos to him for gutsing out the match because it was tough to watch. I also think its harsh to compare him to Andy: definitely our best player in recent times and one of the top players in an era of great mens tennis at the elite level.

flamingowings · All-time great

Nix wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Yes, no repeat at all of Kyle's great Australian Open run which started in R1 with (11) Kevin Anderson, which by his own fine win there helped open the immediate following rounds and later had that QF win against (3) Dimitrov so he finally emerged from that quarter by also beating the highest seed in that quarter.

But some folk want to continue to spin another tale and/or totally discount it all whatever mention is made of such.

It certainly wasn't the worst overall draw but the repetitive rewrite to a lucky / fortunate run gets rather irritating even if at times ignored.
I wish ( as no doubt does Kyle!) that there had been better follow-up through the rest of the year but it was a fine couple of weeks.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 27th of August 2018 06:43:22 PM
Indiana your post is obviously aimed at me so Ill clarify a few points for you here. The Aus Open run was very fortunate, it was a poor Slam in a lot of ways, many top players out or half-fit. Anderson is beatable if his serve isnt on and Dimitrov as weve seen this year is very erratic and inconstant. The relevance of this and some clever points gathering is that expectation is too high, which has been evident here by people looking to see who he will meet in quarters/last 16 etc. He isnt Andy Murray and never will be in terms of level so this is plain daft. And he isnt a top 16 player in reality. Any disappointment in his result therefore must be looked at objectively and realistically. Lorenzi plays almost exclusively on clay, is 36 years old and hasnt played on hard court since January.
Anyway lets see how Cam gets on now, more potential in Cam than Kyle after and will be our number 1 or 2 in a few months post Australia Open, depending on where Andy is of course.
Whether or not hes a top 16 player is a fair argument. Im not sure judging his potential based on this match is fair at all. Im not sure if you saw any of it but he could barely stand up straight. Kudos to him for gutsing out the match because it was tough to watch. I also think its harsh to compare him to Andy: definitely our best player in recent times and one of the top players in an era of great mens tennis at the elite level.

That's just the way it goes though...Andy himself gets compared (& falls short) to Federer, Rafa and Novak.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Is that Katie Swan in Andys box behind Jamie Delgado? Also the ignorance of some of American crowd is astounding. 2 overweight girls came in carrying trays full of calorie laden snacks oblivious to the fact that the players were waiting on them. Andy is quite rightly getting irked by this. Loads of movement from the fans padding around in his eyeline.

indiana · Tennis legend

Jaggy, I don't notice folk on the forum comparing Kyle to Andy, just not in the same ball park. But many give him a heck of a lot more credit for what he has achieved than you do. He treads his own path and has answered some of my previous doubts and he can improve further.

flamingowings · All-time great

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Is that Katie Swan in Andys box behind Jamie Delgado? Also the ignorance of some of American crowd is astounding. 2 overweight girls came in carrying trays full of calorie laden snacks oblivious to the fact that the players were waiting on them. Andy is quite rightly getting irked by this. Loads of movement from the fans padding around in his eyeline.

Yeah, the umpire has been repeatedly telling the crowd. And we all know, Andy is easily distracted at the best of times (see: Spidey Cam at the French Open and there was a memorable Feather Incident as well)

& although I haven't spotted her, it probably is Katie.

Edited - Kyle has the Laver Cup, DC (probably) and then the start of the Asian swing. That's just not smart scheduling.

-- Edited by flamingowings on Monday 27th of August 2018 07:27:31 PM

flamingowings · All-time great

Meanwhile, Andy has won the 3rd 7-5.

the addict · Tennis legend

Duckworth misses a few first serves, and Andy capitalises to take the third set 7-5

Julia Carrot · All-time great

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Ive also got amazon prime 30 day trial, not sure if its my television but picture quality for Andy match is poor. If this is a sign of the times to follow worrying for keeping the game mainstream. Anyway still think Andy will win this, Kyle though is a burst ball here. I really do think he is a vastly overrated player by some on here, Lorenzi is a challenger player just holding up well enough until Kyle flags. Conditions have done for him but there was no B game anyway. No fortunate grand slam run this tournament it seems.

I'm watch on a iMac (don't have a television) and its pretty good quality (perhaps not HD) but it is even better on my phone, which is a more recent model, so what that tells us, I am not sure, not being very techie.