Week 32 - ATP Masters 1000 - Rogers Cup, Toronto, Canada (hard)

flamingowings · All-time great

Week 32 - ATP Masters 1000 - Rogers Cup, Toronto, Canada (hard)

flamingowings · All-time great

Kyle broken to 15, now 6-1, *3-2 down...unless a miracle, looks like Kyle is packing his bags early.
Not sure if Kyle is playing badly, or if Diego isn't allowing him to play well or both.

Babfive · Satellite level

Kyle lost 1-6 2-6 cry

flamingowings · All-time great

Wonder if Kyle is still feeling the effects of tonsillitis.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Shocking scoreline in a match that lasted 62 minutes!

From what I can gather, Kyle wasn't mentally there, and Diego played well, targeted his backhand, and Kyle was weaker than him in that area.

Priesty · Challenger level

I couldn't sleep so got up and watched, by the time I did he was down a set. Schwartzmann's play was very lively, moving the ball from side to side and corner to corner and Kyle just couldn't seem to impose his game and weapons on the match. He seemed like a puppet on a string most of the time.

Rough draw since he only just missed being seeded.

Onto the next one....

indiana · Tennis legend

Thanks Priesty. I don't know how much that is Schwartzman's normal game but certainly seems a gameplan that did for Kyle.

Yes, learn as much as he can from that and move on ...

Vandenburg · Futures level

Priesty wrote:
I couldn't sleep so got up and watched, by the time I did he was down a set. Schwartzmann's play was very lively, moving the ball from side to side and corner to corner and Kyle just couldn't seem to impose his game and weapons on the match. He seemed like a puppet on a string most of the time.

Rough draw since he only just missed being seeded.

Onto the next one....

The more talented player won,he exposed Edmunds footwork and movement. Edmund is in for a hard period, now in the locker room people have worked out how to beat him.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Not a great couple of weeks for Kyle but that's tennis. I still believe that he has the potential to go higher in the rankings. My belief is not necessarily based on the fact that he hits a monster forehand or that his serve is a bomb when working, but much more because I know the mentality that lies behind the player.

There are still plenty of areas of Kyle's game that need to improve but there have also been others that have shown huge improvement. His backhand is much more solid than 12 months ago and his serve, particularly the 2nd serve, is unrecognizable from not so long back. Not being a natural athlete (such as Jay for example) means Kyle can still work on the mobility side of his game, but he knows that better than any of us. His net play is coming along, but there is still a way to go.

But my belief in Kyle comes from the fact that he is a player that will leave no stone unturned in his efforts to maximize the talent that he has. His biggest asset is his single minded approach to his career, and the drive and ambition that he has to succeed. This, for me, is much more important than the more technical factors. He is still a few years off his peak and if his ranking plateaus or even drops a bit in the meantime, then we should not panic. I know he won't.

EddietheEagle · County player

The extreme grip change required on his volley causes him problems. He needs to work out a solution. Against Murray, he made some real howlers, excruciating to watch.

Has he got someone for his footsteps and court movement? Like Jez Green. He still seems heavy footed.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

EddietheEagle wrote:
The extreme grip change required on his volley causes him problems. He needs to work out a solution. Against Murray, he made some real howlers, excruciating to watch.

Has he got someone for his footsteps and court movement? Like Jez Green. He still seems heavy footed.

He recently hired one of Usain Bolt's ex coaches to work on his foot and leg speed. As for the volleys, I'll leave that in the hands of Mark Hilton who is the king of the volley game and a great coach of net play.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Still standing by my prediction that Cam will be ahead of Kyle after Aus Open rankings next year.

Vandenburg · Futures level

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Still standing by my prediction that Cam will be ahead of Kyle after Aus Open rankings next year.

Strong call, which I have to agree with.

Many people on this forum vastly over rate Edmund, as they do with most things. Take away his fluke points he made from making the AO semi, and he is about 50 in the ATP race. This is a true reflection of his ranking. He has never been top 20 quality.

Norrie has a more rounded game, and could have a steady top 30 career, but doubt he can be top 20.

indiana · Tennis legend

Vandenburg wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Still standing by my prediction that Cam will be ahead of Kyle after Aus Open rankings next year.
Strong call, which I have to agree with.
Many people on this forum vastly over rate Edmund, as they do with most things. Take away his fluke points he made from making the AO semi, and he is about 50 in the ATP race. This is a true reflection of his ranking. He has never been top 20 quality.
Norrie has a more rounded game, and could have a steady top 30 career, but doubt he can be top 20.

I'm not quite sure "about 50" is 40. Factually, take off all his 720 points from the Australian Open, which included some very good performances and wins for these err "fluke points" and he would be #40 in the current race ( taking himself out of these above him with these then 810 points ). Cam incidentally has done very well but is still relatively a fair bit back on that, #79 on 518 points. Good years, both.

And is this a particular Kyle random thing, what points will we take off others or are all theirs hugely merited ?

Kyle has clearly improved further this year, his 4 best career ranking wins have come this year, his general top 50 ratio of wins is much better and things I have often expressed doubts about such as court presence and fading in 3rd sets against good players are better. And he can clearly improve further.

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 7th of August 2018 08:03:29 PM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Still standing by my prediction that Cam will be ahead of Kyle after Aus Open rankings next year.
Strong call, which I have to agree with.
Many people on this forum vastly over rate Edmund, as they do with most things. Take away his fluke points he made from making the AO semi, and he is about 50 in the ATP race. This is a true reflection of his ranking. He has never been top 20 quality.
Norrie has a more rounded game, and could have a steady top 30 career, but doubt he can be top 20.
I'm not quite sure "about 50" is 40. Factually, take off all his 720 points from the Australian Open, which included some very good performances and wins for these err "fluke points" and he would be #40 in the current race ( taking himself out of these above him with these then 810 points ).
And is this a particular Kyle random thing, what points will we take off others or are all theirs hugely merited ?
Kyle has clearly improved further this year, his 4 best career ranking wins have come this year, his general top 50 ratio of wins is much better and things I have often expressed doubts about such as court presence and fading in 3rd sets against good players are better.

However, Vandi does have a point Indi. If we extrapolate further and exclude ALL of Kyle's points from his tournaments in the last 12 months because they were ALL lucky, he wouldn't have a ranking at all. So clearly the kid has no talent whatsoever wink