Week 32 - ATP Masters 1000 - Rogers Cup, Toronto, Canada (hard)

flamingowings · All-time great

RE: Week 32 - ATP Masters 1000 - Rogers Cup, Toronto, Canada (hard)

flamingowings · All-time great

Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
.. and evidently ATP 500s can qualify for Masters SEs but not ATP 250s.
That's so nuts..I could understand it the other way around even.

I think it's down to the level of the tournament. 500 is only 1 down from a masters, 250 is 2.

the addict · Tennis legend

One down is correct

From the ATP rulebook

a) A Qualified event for special exempt to an ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournament is the singles event of another ATP World Tour Masters 1000, ATP World Tour 500 or Grand Slam tournament.
b) A Qualified event for special exempt to an ATP World Tour 500 tournament is the singles event of another ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour Masters 1000, ATP World Tour 250 or Grand Slam tournament.

-- Edited by the addict on Saturday 4th of August 2018 11:52:39 AM

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
.. and evidently ATP 500s can qualify for Masters SEs but not ATP 250s.
That's so nuts..I could understand it the other way around even.
I think it's down to the level of the tournament. 500 is only 1 down from a masters, 250 is 2.

It still doesn't make sense according to TA's post.

the addict · Tennis legend

Makes sense to me. You can get a SE for one tournament level above, or a lower level, but you can't get SE for a tournament 2 levels up.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

the addict wrote:
Makes sense to me. You can get a SE for one tournament level above, or a lower level, but you can't get SE for a tournament 2 levels up.

but the quote by Indy says 500 to 250 isn't allowed which is one level down.

flamingowings · All-time great

Helen40 wrote:
the addict wrote:
Makes sense to me. You can get a SE for one tournament level above, or a lower level, but you can't get SE for a tournament 2 levels up.
but the quote by Indy says 500 to 250 isn't allowed which is one level down.

If you're playing a 500 then a 250, you are a more likely to be a seed or be playing on the Tuesday.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
the addict wrote:
Makes sense to me. You can get a SE for one tournament level above, or a lower level, but you can't get SE for a tournament 2 levels up.
but the quote by Indy says 500 to 250 isn't allowed which is one level down.
If you're playing a 500 then a 250, you are a more likely to be a seed or be playing on the Tuesday.

Ah... that makes sense now Thanks.

flamingowings · All-time great

Helen40 wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
the addict wrote:
Makes sense to me. You can get a SE for one tournament level above, or a lower level, but you can't get SE for a tournament 2 levels up.
but the quote by Indy says 500 to 250 isn't allowed which is one level down.
If you're playing a 500 then a 250, you are a more likely to be a seed or be playing on the Tuesday.
Ah... that makes sense now Thanks.

You also might get a bye. E.g check Kyle for an example. He will be a top seed in a 500 (as seen in Washington) and then in a 250 top seed/very close to it, again, getting a bye in R2, probably in both cases.

the addict · Tennis legend

OK, here's the remainder of the section from the rulebook to go with my earlier post, covering ATP250's and challengers (bold is my highlighting)

c) A Qualified event for special exempt to an ATP World Tour 250 tournament is the singles event of any ATP World Tour 250, ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour Masters 1000 or Grand Slam tournament.

d) A Qualified event for special exempt to an ATP Challenger Tour tournament is the singles event of an ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournament within the same geographic region, unless there are no Challengers in the same region the following week. If there are no Challengers in the same region the following week, then a qualified event would include all ATP Challenger Tour events scheduled in the following week, regardless of region. (Definition of Regions can be found in Exhibit M).

e) EXCEPTION: A player who has entered and been accepted into the qualifying draw of an ATP World Tour tournament and has been withdrawn because he is still competing, will be added to the last position on the special exempt list of an ATP Challenger Tour tournament scheduled for the next week, even though he would have been a direct acceptance, had he entered the Challenger. Note: EXCEPTION does not apply if player was Top 50 twenty one (21) days prior to the rst Monday of the Challenger.

-- Edited by the addict on Saturday 4th of August 2018 12:11:53 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Helen40 wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
.. and evidently ATP 500s can qualify for Masters SEs but not ATP 250s.
That's so nuts..I could understand it the other way around even.
I think it's down to the level of the tournament. 500 is only 1 down from a masters, 250 is 2.
It still doesn't make sense according to TA's post.

Think I managed to confuse ( unlike me ! ). I meant that ATP 250 players can't get SEs into ATP Masters ( whereas ATP 500 players can get SEs into ATP Masters ), not that ATP 500 players can't get SEs Into ATP 250s.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

So basically, Cam's reward for doing so well last week is that he hasn't got an option of competing anywhere this week..

Vandenburg · Futures level

Shame Norrie is not playing, also awful draw for Edmund, facing the dwarf in round one, is never easy.

flamingowings · All-time great

There has been, surprisingly enough, rain so no play until 10.30 pm our time at the earliest....

indiana · Tennis legend

Kyle's match has moved about a bit on the changing schedule.

Tennis has broken out again for now and Kyle vs Schwartzman is now shown as on Court 4 at not before 7 pm local, midnight BST.