Week 31 - ATP 500 - Citi Open, Washington DC, USA (hard)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Week 31 - ATP 500 - Citi Open, Washington DC, USA (hard)

scottie1 · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
scottie1 wrote:
christ wrote:
Jan wrote:
Ridiculous time to be finishing a match when you expect the winner to play again the next (or the same) day.
Well fought Andy. No-one will blame you if you pull out now.
... well, if I were Mr. Copil I may grouse a bit.
but Copil lost!
exactly
Yes, but that is what chris is saying - we always moan when one of our players gets pipped by some 'pesky' who then goes on to withdraw from the very next match.
Copil could (he won't, but he could) quite fairly grouse 'why did you try so blinkin' hard to win if you weren't even going to give the next match a shot?'

I don't moan about that it's just tennis - and part of the game people withdrawing through injury or tiredness

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

scottie1 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
scottie1 wrote:
christ wrote:
Jan wrote:
Ridiculous time to be finishing a match when you expect the winner to play again the next (or the same) day.
Well fought Andy. No-one will blame you if you pull out now.
... well, if I were Mr. Copil I may grouse a bit.
but Copil lost!
exactly
Yes, but that is what chris is saying - we always moan when one of our players gets pipped by some 'pesky' who then goes on to withdraw from the very next match.
Copil could (he won't, but he could) quite fairly grouse 'why did you try so blinkin' hard to win if you weren't even going to give the next match a shot?'

I don't moan about that it's just tennis - and part of the game people withdrawing through injury or tiredness

Maybe 'moan' was the wrong word - but feel slightly peeved and 'what if'..... Yes, it's part of tennis, and absolutely no blame on anyone - just trying to explain chris' post which seemed tongue in cheek and quite funny to me.

christ · Futures level

scottie1 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
scottie1 wrote:
christ wrote:
Jan wrote:
Ridiculous time to be finishing a match when you expect the winner to play again the next (or the same) day.
Well fought Andy. No-one will blame you if you pull out now.
... well, if I were Mr. Copil I may grouse a bit.
but Copil lost!
exactly
Yes, but that is what chris is saying - we always moan when one of our players gets pipped by some 'pesky' who then goes on to withdraw from the very next match.
Copil could (he won't, but he could) quite fairly grouse 'why did you try so blinkin' hard to win if you weren't even going to give the next match a shot?'

I don't moan about that it's just tennis - and part of the game people withdrawing through injury or tiredness

Aye, that it is. But I still don't see any harm in extending the "Lucky Loser" principle, so that if a player can't make the start line at the next round, let the losing player take his place. It is, after all, supposed to be about the spectators so depriving the spectators of a game to watch seems silly. (...although I fully agree that players that need rest/ treatment should be allowed to withdraw).

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, I have before wondered about that sort of Lucky Loser extention. It's a thought ...

Though I guess unless a fairly quick withdrawal many losers will be moving on / have moved on.

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 3rd of August 2018 12:20:18 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

That was the rule in top money tournaments in France (and may still be the rule) - only applied to the final and the semis, though - and, exactly as you say, it was for the spectators and to add value to the event - if one player can't make the starting blocks, the loser can be fished back out.

JonH · All-time great

Interesting the spin the ATP put on it:

www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/murray-copil-washington-2018-thursday

Emotion of the battle , nothing to do with his criticism of players not having to play at 3am or no one benefitting from it; nothing about Andy maybe not playing the quarterfinal.

Fake news from the ATP, shame on them

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

christ wrote:
scottie1 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, but that is what chris is saying - we always moan when one of our players gets pipped by some 'pesky' who then goes on to withdraw from the very next match.
Copil could (he won't, but he could) quite fairly grouse 'why did you try so blinkin' hard to win if you weren't even going to give the next match a shot?'
I don't moan about that it's just tennis - and part of the game people withdrawing through injury or tiredness
Aye, that it is. But I still don't see any harm in extending the "Lucky Loser" principle, so that if a player can't make the start line at the next round, let the losing player take his place. It is, after all, supposed to be about the spectators so depriving the spectators of a game to watch seems silly. (...although I fully agree that players that need rest/ treatment should be allowed to withdraw).

I like this idea, as Indy says, there would have be be some time rule otherwise the other guy would have made arrangement to leave. Also how would points and prize money work? 1/2 each for that match? abit like the withdrawing from slams rule?

legal-eagle · Improver

Managed to catch the end of the match this morning before travelling. Was really quite happy for Andy and of course, you have to love the emotion. It really looks like he just wants to play tennis.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Rain has stopped play in Washington again & Andy's match is scheduled after Kudla vs Rublev, which is due to kick off at 19.00 EST, midnight our time! disbelief

indiana · Tennis legend

Helen40 wrote:
christ wrote:
scottie1 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, but that is what chris is saying - we always moan when one of our players gets pipped by some 'pesky' who then goes on to withdraw from the very next match.
Copil could (he won't, but he could) quite fairly grouse 'why did you try so blinkin' hard to win if you weren't even going to give the next match a shot?'
I don't moan about that it's just tennis - and part of the game people withdrawing through injury or tiredness
Aye, that it is. But I still don't see any harm in extending the "Lucky Loser" principle, so that if a player can't make the start line at the next round, let the losing player take his place. It is, after all, supposed to be about the spectators so depriving the spectators of a game to watch seems silly. (...although I fully agree that players that need rest/ treatment should be allowed to withdraw).
I like this idea, as Indy says, there would have be be some time rule otherwise the other guy would have made arrangement to leave. Also how would points and prize money work? 1/2 each for that match? abit like the withdrawing from slams rule?

I guess the loser could still not get the points and prize money added for the round they lost ( these all stay with the withdrawn winner ) but could then receive points and prize money for any subsequent win ( but still less these points and prize money associated particularly with the round initially they lost in ). So the total points awarded and prize money awarded would remain unaltered.

flamingowings · All-time great

Stircrazy wrote:
Rain has stopped play in Washington again & Andy's match is scheduled after Kudla vs Rublev, which is due to kick off at 19.00 EST, midnight our time!

Novel idea and one that we mentioned about Wimbledon...start play earlier!!

flamingowings · All-time great

Andy on instagram: "Boring, miserable, no personality" biggrin

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

QF: (4) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 27 (13+14) defeated (Q) Divij Sharan & Artem Sitak (IND/NZL) CR 75 (38+37) by 4-6 6-1 [10-5]

flamingowings · All-time great

Copil has gained himself a bunch of new fans, not only because of the match itself but also his comments later on twitter:

Marius Copil
Verified account @MariusCopil

great battle out there @andy_murray
Welcome back
1:12 AM - 3 Aug 2018

samantha nation
@snation85
Replying to @MariusCopil @andy_murray

Great match. Did u set Murray off crying with you kind words ?
1:29 AM - 3 Aug 2018

Marius Copil
Verified account @MariusCopil
Replying to @snation85 @andy_murray

I said to him what he deserved to hear. He's a great fighter
1:48 AM - 3 Aug 2018

And then:

Marius Copil
Verified account @MariusCopil

I'm selling my kidney so I can buy 2 flight tickets to Tornoto. Anybody interested? what's up with this prices ?
8:59 AM - 3 Aug 2018

Rogers Cup
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Replying to @MariusCopil

How late? It seems youre a late-night specialist

(Well see what we can do!)
10:04 AM - 3 Aug 2018 from Toronto, Ontario