The 2017 FO semi final ended the careers of both Murray and Wawrinka

Smudge226 · Strong Club Player

The 2017 FO semi final ended the careers of both Murray and Wawrinka

Smudge226 · Strong Club Player

If the hip can't take singles maybe he could still manage dubs with bro at Wimby?
See how that goes.. I know, I'm selfishly only thinking of GB.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Smudge226 wrote:
If the hip can't take singles maybe he could still manage dubs with bro at Wimby?
See how that goes.. I know, I'm selfishly only thinking of GB.

He's already dismissed that idea - from the Beeb's report on his press conference on Friday:

Murray, who was knighted in the Queen's New Year Honours list at the end of 2016, also ruled out becoming a doubles player in the future, ending the possibility of him teaming up with older brother Jamie in the twilight of his career.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
Smudge226 wrote:
If the hip can't take singles maybe he could still manage dubs with bro at Wimby?
See how that goes.. I know, I'm selfishly only thinking of GB.
He's already dismissed that idea - from the Beeb's report on his press conference on Friday:
Murray, who was knighted in the Queen's New Year Honours list at the end of 2016, also ruled out becoming a doubles player in the future, ending the possibility of him teaming up with older brother Jamie in the twilight of his career.

I think Smudge meant just as a "one-off" for Wimbledon as his swansong. It would be tough on Bruno though if that happened.

Smudge226 · Strong Club Player

Thanks SC & BIS, I was thinking of Wimby and maybe the DC finals beyond that (end of year), if the hip stood up to it. Plenty of rest, one off sort of thing.. It's not the money as we know with Andy, it was more the spectacle and the chance to enjoy with Jamie and Leon what is left available to him. Certainly dubs on the circuit seems none starter, thanks for article SC.

Vandenburg · Futures level

It was not just the French open semi, but the end of the previous year he started trolling left right and centre in order to get the number one ranking, the period just before the year end finals, it was just too much.

Michael D · All-time great

Vandenburg wrote:
It was not just the French open semi, but the end of the previous year he started trolling left right and centre in order to get the number one ranking, the period just before the year end finals, it was just too much.

Yes, it did take a lot out of him... but he may also have known that his opportunities to get to the top were likely to be limited afterwards.

Lee · Lower Club Player

yes I agree, I have always thought he recklessly overfilled his calendar to chase the No.1 ranking while other big names were out injured. I also felt it was not sportsmanly conduct to be particularly proud of to so ruthlessly go out of his way to take advantage of the misfortune of others and somewhat tarnished his number one ranking. He certainly has paid a heavy price for it though.

flamingowings · All-time great

Lee wrote:
yes I agree, I have always thought he recklessly overfilled his calendar to chase the No.1 ranking while other big names were out injured. I also felt it was not sportsmanly conduct to be particularly proud of to so ruthlessly go out of his way to take advantage of the misfortune of others and somewhat tarnished his number one ranking. He certainly has paid a heavy price for it though.

Ummmmm, what? Goodness, how is that, exactly?

JonH · All-time great

It was the whole period through single handedly dragging us to the David cup through 2015, winning Wimbledon in 16, the Olympics effort in late summer 16, which was massive (the match v delpo was exhausting) , then the number one run and through to French open and losing injured to sam querrey at Wimbledon 17. Too much and that spell in the French and Wimbledon 17 Was when his body broke but it was the 2 years before that killed him

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

flamingowings wrote:
Lee wrote:
yes I agree, I have always thought he recklessly overfilled his calendar to chase the No.1 ranking while other big names were out injured. I also felt it was not sportsmanly conduct to be particularly proud of to so ruthlessly go out of his way to take advantage of the misfortune of others and somewhat tarnished his number one ranking. He certainly has paid a heavy price for it though.
Ummmmm, what? Goodness, how is that, exactly?

Yes. Sorry Lee but I am with FW on this one. If the argument is that he took advantage of a period when someone else was injury, could it not also be argued that those same people are taking advantage of Andy's injury right now ? At the end of the day, you can only beat what's in front of you and Andy did that superbly and fully deserved his period at WR1.

I am also not entirely convinced by arguments put forward by others on here that this period was the cause of his current demise. They may be right, but let me put forward another hypothesis. Andy has always said his injury was "degenerative" and perhaps he has known for a long time that he would not have the length of career such as Fed has had, so he took the decision that it was "now or never" to achieve the goal of Nº1 status, already knowing that he would have a truncated career. I guess we will never know for sure.

Michael D · All-time great

Bob in Spain wrote:
Yes. Sorry Lee but I am with FW on this one. If the argument is that he took advantage of a period when someone else was injury, could it not also be argued that those same people are taking advantage of Andy's injury right now ? At the end of the day, you can only beat what's in front of you and Andy did that superbly and fully deserved his period at WR1.
I am also not entirely convinced by arguments put forward by others on here that this period was the cause of his current demise. They may be right, but let me put forward another hypothesis. Andy has always said his injury was "degenerative" and perhaps he has known for a long time that he would not have the length of career such as Fed has had, so he took the decision that it was "now or never" to achieve the goal of Nº1 status, already knowing that he would have a truncated career. I guess we will never know for sure.

That was essentially my argument too a bit further up the page. I suspect he did realise that he may not have the opportunity again.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Michael D wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Yes. Sorry Lee but I am with FW on this one. If the argument is that he took advantage of a period when someone else was injury, could it not also be argued that those same people are taking advantage of Andy's injury right now ? At the end of the day, you can only beat what's in front of you and Andy did that superbly and fully deserved his period at WR1.
I am also not entirely convinced by arguments put forward by others on here that this period was the cause of his current demise. They may be right, but let me put forward another hypothesis. Andy has always said his injury was "degenerative" and perhaps he has known for a long time that he would not have the length of career such as Fed has had, so he took the decision that it was "now or never" to achieve the goal of Nº1 status, already knowing that he would have a truncated career. I guess we will never know for sure.
That was essentially my argument too a bit further up the page. I suspect he did realise that he may not have the opportunity again.

Oops. Hadn't read all the comments preceding mine, but good to see we agree on our hypothesis.

Vandenburg · Futures level

Bob in Spain wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Lee wrote:
yes I agree, I have always thought he recklessly overfilled his calendar to chase the No.1 ranking while other big names were out injured. I also felt it was not sportsmanly conduct to be particularly proud of to so ruthlessly go out of his way to take advantage of the misfortune of others and somewhat tarnished his number one ranking. He certainly has paid a heavy price for it though.
Ummmmm, what? Goodness, how is that, exactly?
Yes. Sorry Lee but I am with FW on this one. If the argument is that he took advantage of a period when someone else was injury, could it not also be argued that those same people are taking advantage of Andy's injury right now ? At the end of the day, you can only beat what's in front of you and Andy did that superbly and fully deserved his period at WR1.
I am also not entirely convinced by arguments put forward by others on here that this period was the cause of his current demise. They may be right, but let me put forward another hypothesis. Andy has always said his injury was "degenerative" and perhaps he has known for a long time that he would not have the length of career such as Fed has had, so he took the decision that it was "now or never" to achieve the goal of Nº1 status, already knowing that he would have a truncated career. I guess we will never know for sure.

Bang on with this statements. Andy put together a vulture run. Let us remember

He opted for two extra ATP 500, China and Vienna, on top of all other m1000 at that time. He saw Novak was injured and wounded so, really stacked up his 'best of 18 tourns' score.

Lee · Lower Club Player

I just know that I would feel much happier if I had become world number 1 by being consistently better than the world number 2,3,4 etc over the course of a year, than I would by becoming world number 1 by manipulating the system to my advantage at a time when the main competitors were out of action.