Week 23 - Challenger (€127,000) - Fuzion 100 Trophy - Surbiton, Great Britain (grass)

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

RE: Week 23 - Challenger (€127,000) - Fuzion 100 Trophy - Surbiton, Great Britain (grass)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

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QR2: (q1) Taylor Fritz (USA) WR 68 defeated Jack Findel-Hawkins WR 845 by 4 & 1
QR2: Brydan Klein WR 464 defeated Evan King (USA) WR 196 by 4 & 3
*****
FQR: (q1) Taylor Fritz (USA) WR 68 vs Brydan Klein WR 464
I doubt Brydan will be able to knock Fritz off his perch.
QR2: (q8) Max Purcell (AUS) WR 216 (unsurprisingly) defeated Mark Whitehouse WR 1325 by 4 & 2
Sadly, Luke couldn't hang on to the early break:
QR2: Daniel Brands (GER) WR 334 defeated Luke Bambridge WR 587 by 7-6(5) 6-7(4) 6-4
Perhaps not mincemeat, but a win for Dan nevertheless:
QR2: Dan Evans WR 858 defeated Neil Pauffley WR 740 by 6-3 7-6(5)
Well done to Neil for making it bit of a fight of it. Molloy or Corrie in the FQR; their match is poised at a set all.

QR2: Ed Corrie WR 445 defeated (qWC) Jack Molloy UNR by 3-6 6-0 6-2

*****

FQR: Dan Evans WR 858 vs Ed Corrie WR 445

the addict · Tennis legend

Jaggy1876 wrote:
I see Marcus appears to have gone down the easy route as well. I wonder if he is now a Doubles player too. Cant see him justifying a QWC at Wimbledon this year.

At the moment it is doubtful whether Marcus will even make it to the WC playoffs - he is currently GB #18 on live rankings, and if you discount those at the top that would either get in directly or be in the front-line for WC's he still will be struggling to make one of the 10 places available.

indiana · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
I see Marcus appears to have gone down the easy route as well. I wonder if he is now a Doubles player too. Cant see him justifying a QWC at Wimbledon this year.
At the moment it is doubtful whether Marcus will even make it to the WC playoffs - he is currently GB #18 on live rankings, and if you discount those at the top that would either get in directly or be in the front-line for WC's he still will be struggling to make one of the 10 places available.

Should just about be OK. Guess depends to a large extent on how many initially awarded WCs ( MD + Q ) there are. But we could be taking out our top 3 plus then with WCs another 8 of these ahead* of Marcus. In that instance the 10 rankings WC play-offs would go down to WR 21 even if all want to play, and there is Oli for instance. Will he want to play? I would reckon should be safe enough if top 20, and possibly a bit further.

Surely indeed not a direct Q WC for part-time Marcus though. He's hardly been going down any route, singles or doubles.

* though there may be an argument regarding Q WCs for one or two young players below Marcus.

the addict · Tennis legend

Neil, Luke and Finn aren't many points behind Marcus (1,2 & 5), so we'll see where they lie on 18th June. And there are four spare wild cards into that event as well, although I really hope they go to the younger ranked players.

indiana · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
Neil, Luke and Finn aren't many points behind Marcus (1,2 & 5), so we'll see where they lie on 18th June. And there are four spare wild cards into that event as well, although I really hope they go to the younger ranked players.

Yes, they traditionally do go to younger players, which is good. Should be 5 too I think this year with Jonny Gray and Sam Murray winning the recent British tour event and not needing the play-off WC on offer ( or, more thinking, does that place revert to the next player on ranking ? )

Actually though, maybe a bit contradictory, but I could go with Marcus getting a play-off WC if indeed he did need it to give him a chance to step on the journey.

-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 3rd of June 2018 05:41:04 PM

Vandenburg · Futures level

Evo like it or not has a clock against him, when the UK season ends, he needs to ranked around 300, so he can get main draw for challengers, as I doubt no UK challengers will give him a WC.

Simon · Lower Club Player

Dan came into the match expecting to walk over Neil after his easy first round win. At the start I felt he was playing to much to the crowd and did not settle. The occasional good shot but Neil was certainly holding his own with some solid rallies. Dan then started getting frustrated and had a number of goes at the line judges and the umpire for bad calls against him (which does not help is kudos with the crowd or the LTA and was a bit unnecessary). Towards the end of the first set and start of the second he settled more and started playing good flowing tennis. I actually moved on with Dan leading 5-3 in the second only to hear it was somewhat closer in the end. Certainly not a case of Dan making mincemeat out of Neil.

Simon · Lower Club Player

Interesting situation having made the main draw and the top two seeds in qualifying are higher ranked than the top seed in the main draw... So those people playing qualifiers in R1 may get a more than they bargained for.

indiana · Tennis legend

Simon wrote:
Interesting situation having made the main draw and the top two seeds in qualifying are higher ranked than the top seed in the main draw... So those people playing qualifiers in R1 may get a more than they bargained for.

I guess at least a seed isn't down to play a qualifier so won't end up playing someone higher ranked than them in R1. Though the seeds who could come across them in R2 include the first and third seeds, both in the top half of the draw.

I see that tomorrow's schedule has MD matches as well as the FQR matches so the main draw really had to be made before the qualifiers were known. Otherwise they presumably could have delayed the draw and seeded any very high ranked qualifiers.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

indiana wrote:
Simon wrote:
Interesting situation having made the main draw and the top two seeds in qualifying are higher ranked than the top seed in the main draw... So those people playing qualifiers in R1 may get a more than they bargained for.
I guess at least a seed isn't down to play a qualifier so won't end up playing someone higher ranked than them in R1. Though the seeds who could come across them in R2 include the first and third seeds, both in the top half of the draw.
I see that tomorrow's schedule has MD matches as well as the FQR matches so the main draw really had to be made before the qualifiers were known. Otherwise they presumably could have delayed the draw and seeded any very high ranked qualifiers.

How does that work? Can highly ranked qualifiers then be seeded in an MD?

indiana · Tennis legend

Helen40 wrote:
indiana wrote:
Simon wrote:
Interesting situation having made the main draw and the top two seeds in qualifying are higher ranked than the top seed in the main draw... So those people playing qualifiers in R1 may get a more than they bargained for.
I guess at least a seed isn't down to play a qualifier so won't end up playing someone higher ranked than them in R1. Though the seeds who could come across them in R2 include the first and third seeds, both in the top half of the draw.
I see that tomorrow's schedule has MD matches as well as the FQR matches so the main draw really had to be made before the qualifiers were known. Otherwise they presumably could have delayed the draw and seeded any very high ranked qualifiers.
How does that work? Can highly ranked qualifiers then be seeded in an MD?

Yes, it happens sometimes when the qualifiers are known by the time the main draw is made, and then everyone ( qualifiers included ) are considered for seeding based on their ranking.

Not sure specifics about possibly delaying a draw but as I said, with both MD and FQR matches on tomorrow, it wasn't an option here.

the addict · Tennis legend

I had a look in the rulebook, and found the following example, which although not exactly what we are talking about, does confirm that qualifiers can be seeded.

"Qualifier Eligible To Be Seeded
Case: A qualifiers ranking was high enough for him to be seeded in the main draw. The main draw was completed prior to the end of the qualifying event. After the player had qualified but prior to the order of play being released for the first day of main draw a seeded player withdraws. Is the qualifier eligible to be seeded?
Decision: Yes. The successful qualifier shall be accorded the same right to be seeded as the other players who have gained entry as Direct Acceptances, Wild Cards, Special Exempt etc. As per ATP rules a player may not use his Protected Ranking for seed purposes"

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Ah, I see, seems abit weird all around, but good to know. Thanks Indy and TA.

Michael D · All-time great

In most cases that I can recall, if the qualifiers are higher ranked than MD entrants, then they go on to be seeded. It usually happens, like here, when the higher ranked players in the QD are late entrants. This case is very unusual in my experience where the higher ranked q seeds are NOT going to be seeded in the MD, to create an anomaly where unseeded players are higher ranked than seeded players. Usually organisers will delay the MD finalisation until they can can insert the qualifiers. This is probably more frequently with women's events that I can recall; certainly men's challenger MDs tend to be announced further in advance of women's MDs, so does make it more difficult to incorporate the seeds. Still even for men's evens I don't often recall this happening.