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indiana


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Last year at this time we had as a top 5 in the WRs including the top 4 seeds here ( Raonic missed the event ):

1. Murray - now WR 29
2. Djokovic - now WR 13
3. Wawrinka - now WR 11
4. Raonic - now WR 38
5. Nishikori - now WR 25

What a difference a year can make.

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Stircrazy wrote:

For the record:

QR1:  (q10) Cameron Norrie WR 111 defeated Christian Harrison (USA) WR 217 by 2 & 3

QR1:  (q23) Norbert Gombos (SVK) WR 144 defeated Liam Broady WR 164 by 7-6(6) 6-3

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FQR:  (q10) Cameron Norrie WR 111 vs (q14) Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) WR 118 (CH = 31 in September 2010 - he's now 32)

The pair have never met before.

 Broady has no weapons and no top 100 potential, I'm sure he is a nice guy and works hard, but reality is you need at least one weapon to hurt people and make the top 100. 



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Hard work, shot consistency could be considered a 'weapon' of sorts, like say, Schwartzman for example.

I'm not suggesting Broady is there yet, clearly not, but he does appear committed to the job at hand.

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Vandenburg wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

For the record:

QR1:  (q10) Cameron Norrie WR 111 defeated Christian Harrison (USA) WR 217 by 2 & 3

QR1:  (q23) Norbert Gombos (SVK) WR 144 defeated Liam Broady WR 164 by 7-6(6) 6-3

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FQR:  (q10) Cameron Norrie WR 111 vs (q14) Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) WR 118 (CH = 31 in September 2010 - he's now 32)

The pair have never met before.

 Broady has no weapons and no top 100 potential, I'm sure he is a nice guy and works hard, but reality is you need at least one weapon to hurt people and make the top 100. 

Everybody has an opinion which is good. Interested in your experience or credentials to make this statement. You may be completely correct. 

My experience of mental maturities in people is that they develop to such varying degrees that its impossible to predict when someone might suddenly switch on and develop confidence beyond expectations. Happened to Cam at DC and Kyle at Aus Open. Cam didnt hit Ramos Vinolas off the court but he developled a mental strength above that of Vinolas that day. 

The question is, will it happen for Liam? Weapons help but mental development much more impactful, in my opinion.

-- Edited by Tennis Nut on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 05:48:39 PM



-- Edited by Tennis Nut on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 05:52:42 PM



-- Edited by Tennis Nut on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 05:53:55 PM

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I think a little list could probably be made up of top 100 players supposedly without real weapons other than good dogged consistency which as Eddie points to can of course be a real strength in itself.

I'm not saying that I think Liam will be top 100 but I don't dismiss it on the "no weapons" grounds. And while of course it is still quite a step up from reaching the 150s to inside the top 100 neither would be I be dismissing a player of Liam's age from finding the extras to make that step.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 06:03:03 PM

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has anyone figured out what time corresponds with Cam being first on court but having 2 blanks ahead of him?



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brendan wrote:

has anyone figured out what time corresponds with Cam being first on court but having 2 blanks ahead of him?

 The OOP says 2.30pm local time.  

 



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When Liam made his futures run a couple of years ago into the top 200 I felt it was a bit streaky this time he is much more consistent and in a relatively good position to make the top 100 over the next four years. More a question of understanding your opponents and how you can beat them with the skill set you have, I agree mental maturity and confidence in your surroundings given everything else is in place along with some sensible scheduling can easily lift you into the top 100.

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One turn-up for the books in the doubles:

L32:  (WC) Philipp Petzschner & Dominic Thiem (GER/AUT) CR 319 (86+233) vs (4) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 17 (8+9)

L32:   Kyle Edmund & Franko Skugor (CRO) UNR (0+41) vs Pablo Carreño & David Marrero (ESP/ESP) CR 294 (140+54)



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Tennis Nut wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

For the record:

QR1:  (q10) Cameron Norrie WR 111 defeated Christian Harrison (USA) WR 217 by 2 & 3

QR1:  (q23) Norbert Gombos (SVK) WR 144 defeated Liam Broady WR 164 by 7-6(6) 6-3

*****

FQR:  (q10) Cameron Norrie WR 111 vs (q14) Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) WR 118 (CH = 31 in September 2010 - he's now 32)

The pair have never met before.

 Broady has no weapons and no top 100 potential, I'm sure he is a nice guy and works hard, but reality is you need at least one weapon to hurt people and make the top 100. 

Everybody has an opinion which is good. Interested in your experience or credentials to make this statement. You may be completely correct. 

My experience of mental maturities in people is that they develop to such varying degrees that its impossible to predict when someone might suddenly switch on and develop confidence beyond expectations. Happened to Cam at DC and Kyle at Aus Open. Cam didnt hit Ramos Vinolas off the court but he developled a mental strength above that of Vinolas that day. 

The question is, will it happen for Liam? Weapons help but mental development much more impactful, in my opinion.

-- Edited by Tennis Nut on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 05:48:39 PM



-- Edited by Tennis Nut on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 05:52:42 PM



-- Edited by Tennis Nut on Wednesday 7th of March 2018 05:53:55 PM

 I Agree, the prime case being Hewitt, whom had little weapons (serve was good) but just was ok at everything, but mentally was amazing. But still, the game has moved on a lot since Hewitt days, and now you need a few weapons.



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Gilles Simon is another case in point - no real specific weapons that stand out but his success comes/came from the general overall level of his game, and mental strength.

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Early break for Cam.

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Kyle is into the men's doubles but not with Neal skupski... Wawrinka withdrawal freed up skugor and kyle has got into a pairing with him.

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Back on serve now, 4-4.

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Norrie with the 1st set.

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