Andy winning Wimbledon was a great day, and the scope of the greatness was not limited to tennis. That said, a single day is not a useful period upon which to make a judgement about the totality of the health of British tennis, it needs perspective. Or, again, we reduce to: GB tennis had a brilliant minute, second... which is nice, but doesn't stand for much in the long run unless there are enough of them collectively to provide foundation to, and then build, something substantial.
From CD (Sorry, I can't be bothered to edit the html to get the official quote block in place): "Most federations look first to grand slams and if you underperform there, there is huge pressure on them. " That's probably true, and that sort of lack of vision probably explains a lot. I think this is also the problem with many fans of tennis, and is categorically the case with casual tennis fans, or non-tennis fans. It's wewll told that the GB tennis season for most GB citizens lasts exactly two weeks, at SW19. But, that doesn't make this the correct view, or one that would be most beneficial to the health of the game in a given country. Given the French baseline standard of quality over the last decade and more, them asking why they have been unable to translate that into the final push to summit the games absolute individual peaks, is the right one for them to ask. It is, to some extent, the only question to which they still require a solution. However, their despond at not answering that final question does not mean that they objectively had a bad month in January - compared to their peers, which was my original premise. If we are taking fan hopes as the yardstick, then we presume that those expectations are reasonable. I've tried to show in the ranking competitions threads that this is a bad assumption, we hope for the best, which is great. It's not realistic though. To measure the sum of GB efforts, even just in the AO, we also had Johanna fail against a LL player outside the top 100. This should naturally be measured against Kyles suscces, as should Jamie Murray's below par showing in doubles, etc. But you surely can't isolate one player at one event, when you're adjudging a whole country for a month. Or, to put in in a Steve Coogan way it's the inverse of the pool supervisor ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUoT5AxFpRs )
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I think the whole concept of taking a snapshot of the health of British tennis based on one month, in the middle of The British winter, when realistically the only opportunity to play is on the other side of the world so most don't, and........ arguably our two best male players are injured or suspended and ........our third puts in the best performance of his career but that is excluded on the basis that it was really good, but ...... what about the rest is flawed. Particularly when our best male junior also has consecutive breakthrough performances including making the SF of a junior slam. Given that Andy and Dan are out I would have accepted that outcome on the male side for January if offered it in December.
We constantly compare ourselves to France and Spain which is unrealistic, tennis is cheapest and most accessible when it is played outside in the sun. A reasonable estimate for the amount of sun hours we get in the uk is about 1400 hrs a year if we go for the sunniest spot we could base our academy in Bognor and add on another 3-400 hrs to give us an edge? Spain comes close to doubling that as to the sunnier bits of France unsurprisingly even the cooler bits of France push Bognor hard and literally leave Brum, Yorkshire, Dunblame and Manchester in the shade.
There is an annual sunshine map of the world on Wikipedia and the UK sits in the darkest two colour bands i.e. <1200 and between 1200-1400. Our competitors do not. We are in SAD times it's midwinter but cheer up! We are definitely the top vit D deficient tennis nation.
And all things consider a Yorkshire man and Scotsman had a pretty good January on the tennis court.
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Everyone has injuries, about equally. There is no guarantee that those players will play well when returning from suspension, or be able to reclaim their former glories, or, at the very least, be able to play again regularly enough to the same standard, upon return from injury. You can't use things that did not happen to temper the reality of what did happen. Again, this line of argument reduces somewhere along the scale to, 'we have a promising junior and *if* they would have made their breakthrough in this month, then things would have looked very different'; or, even, if we 'had won the matches we lost, we'd be in great shape'. Which, whilst both of those are undoubtedly true, it's a complete non-sequitur.
The shape of GB tennis in January, by necessity, cannot suppose that players that did not play would have excelled in order to raise the overall picture. Those players did not play. Neither did Gabi Taylor, or Sam Murray, or Eleanor Dean.
Important to remember, I'm not measuring whether it's a good month by whether we sweep the WTA or ATP. I'm looking all the way down the pyramid; at all levels we were 'meh' throughout the month, with one transcendant achievement standing apart, supplemented by a doubles title for Emily Appleton, Heather's SF, and not much else. That, 'not much else', is not just in terms of making later rounds in events, finals, and titles, but by players for the most part not even reaching the round to which they were seeded, or to which their ranking and the opponents they actually met, suggested that they might make. Every match that GB played, as that is the true sum total of reflecting upon how we did as the nation in the month.
Now, you're never going to win every match that you're expected to win, or where you are the higher ranked player, and so on. But, you can make an intelligently estimated measure of the sum of all of those encounters and deliver a verdict on balance. Imprecise, and rough, but no one is asking for a data-driven justification for every point played - it's illustrative. Again, personally, one players glorious shining highlight shouldn't blind us from looking at all of the efforts of all of the players, that DID play, and, without prejudice, or malice, evaluating them objectively.
Everyone plays the same calendar, in the same locations. It is not really any more of an upheaval for any other European peer nation to get to Australia in the Winter, at the start of the season, then it is for us here. I originally picked France and Germany as comparisons. German weather is not so different to us. France ans Spain do have that going for them, true. So, OK, lets use Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belgium, Russia etc. instead. Measuring us against those nations produces the same general result, and that cannot be explained away by good weather.
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Poor Nicolas, Pierre-Hugues, Caro, Kiki & company, they've done very well for it to be so diminished
Bet they care when it comes to Fed/Davis Cup though!
I watched Kiki win her match in St. Petersburg, her parents in the stands were certainly living every moment, especially as she closed in on victory.
Good for her to finally get a win. It was a good win, too. Domi played well, and Kiki had plenty of chances to sabotage herself again, but didn't. Domi's husband was even more stressed and anxious than Kiki's parents; living every point, and he would not make a good poker player.
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"Oh my God, Kiki has just won a match ! Maybe February won't be such a blowout as January was."
(NB With apologies to all doubles followers but French people don't really care.......)
Different perspectives and all that.
France being a tennis mad nation with high participation levels, I'm surprised they don't care about doubles. I thought doubles was a big part of recreational tennis, so resultingly they'd be interested in watching it and appreciate good play etc.
In France do they not play a lot of competitive singles at club level as opposed to recreational doubles, treating it much more as a sport to be involved in than a recreation? CD?
Arguably some of their Davis Cup selections haven't fully respected doubles or sometimes more importantly for practical results quite appreciated how important doubles specialists can sometimes be as against singles stars who can turn their hand to doubles.
"Oh my God, Kiki has just won a match ! Maybe February won't be such a blowout as January was."
(NB With apologies to all doubles followers but French people don't really care.......)
Different perspectives and all that.
France being a tennis mad nation with high participation levels, I'm surprised they don't care about doubles. I thought doubles was a big part of recreational tennis, so resultingly they'd be interested in watching it and appreciate good play etc.
Doubles counts for team tennis because the federation insist (they get cross when teams between themselves agree to scrap the doubles, which they do).
And over 60s, say, will often play doubles. But that's ONLY if they can't play singles.
Even team tennis for over 75s (!) consists of two singles and a doubles. And that's not high level veterans - that's regular club team tennis. The sport of tennis is singles. And the leisure of tennis is playing the sport.