Unfortunately Coup, parents and umpires are probably the two biggest sinners when it comes to desperately trying to get involved and make things about themselves somehow. With little or no consideration for the consequences of their actions on others. My opinion is very much different to yours, whilst being behind a desk technically is "part" of the real world and their blunders have such repercussions that they won't even know or begin to understand, its still very different from actively being out in the field, the cashier who sells me lettuce at the local supermarket has no influence on how my salad will turn out tonight, but my girlfriend might, so maybe the cashier should keep their opinion to themself about how I like my salad rather than offering it to me as gospel, you know what I mean?

Of course people are allowed opinion with or even without appropriate knowledge, my opinion is that the New Zealand prime minister has handled the whole situation better than Boris, but I could be wrong, I don't live in either country. Maybe Boris might also have a valid opinion on the current government the UK, probably doesn't think its a shambles though.

Interested to know where, from experience, the hit the ball full and steadily aim to get it closer aporoach may break down, including wirh continuing this approach in match situations, if taught not that it totally doesn't matter if it is in or out but with a shared understanding of the end goal so in that context there may be a 'good miss'.

I imagine it can depend on the particular individuals, the coach and player involved, and the buy-in. But to me, it certainly seems an aporoach that could work for some, and not one just to be dismssed

Goodness, junior. You do seem to have got het up

Yes, your opinion on the nz pm might be not hugely informed. But your opinion about tennis coaching is only based on your personal background. As mine is based on mine. Neither is wrong nor right, both have limitations. But they give perspectives. Which is probably what people on the forum are interested in. If they haven't lost the will to live by this point 

(and, yes, I know all about tennis parents, having dealt with a huge number, good, bad and ugly. I guess under your rationale your opinion on parents is not relevant unless you are one?)

Logic goes a long way, Indy. A sorely underrated skill

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Interested to know where, from experience, the hit the ball full and steadily aim to get it closer aporoach may break down, including wirh continuing this approach in match situations, if taught not that it totally doesn't matter if it is in or out but with a shared understanding of the end goal so in that context there may be a 'good miss'.

I imagine it can depend on the particular individuals, the coach and player involved, and the buy-in. But to me, it certainly seems an aporoach that could work for some, and not one just to be dismssed

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 It's an interesting point. And, yes, is strongly based on psyche. Players' natural default modes are very difficult to modify. You see it right up to the top level. We had identical twins in one county selected group - completely different default mindset. 

And the approach can also depend why the ball is out - I.e. technique not quite in place (cant really do it consistently in practice) or technique fine (can do it 99% in practice) but tenses up in a match. 

lots of coaches will also distinguish between matches. And want the player to. Some matches are perfect practice matches. 

 

The technique folk forget the biggest obstacle in sport/tennis, the person up the other end, never mattered how good Federers technique was unfortunately when he never hit one ball below shoulder height on the backhand due to Nadal's relentless punishment

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indiana wrote, 

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 So the practical issues that would be pointed out by those with more knowledge are ... ? 

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 The practical issue is..... First and foremost the objective of tennis is to hit the ball over the net and inbetween the lines. Anyone who tells a person (child, adult, alien whatever) to just hit the ball anywhere willynilly is wrong. One to the parking lot, one at an old lady walking her dog, one backwards. But some people apparently would try and tell swimmers to breathe underwater too so......

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 And to my mind you still aren't giving any convincing reasons  ( well much real reason at all beyond sound bites ) as to why the hit hard/full approach and aim to get closer as opposed to the just get it in and more ensure you win points in the here and now approach won't work in the long term, at least for some. 

Let me try and help you, you mentioned "how the body works and/or biomechanics" but didn't enlarge.

Pretend I'm a young player ( or one of these gruesome parents ). Buy me in to not just continuing to hit it hard but out. I'm sure I'm geting closer, coach, I reckon I'll be beating Cuthbert Patitback soon. 

Cuthbert Patitback - brilliant