Week 38 - Great Britain F5 ($15,000) - Roehampton (hard)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Week 38 - Great Britain F5 ($15,000) - Roehampton (hard)

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

I guess I don't see giving a WC to a home player who has reached a final the week before is bending over backwards, just being consistent and rewarding success.

Jeff Stelling · Club Coach

Good to see Finn Bass win through after some of the vile abuse he suffered on the Nottingham thread questioning his progress. Good on yer Finnster!

CourtCrazy · Social player

To clear this up as there seems to be great confusion - their hands were tied on the wild card situation, they did not decide to not give him one. They awarded two wild cards last week to McHugh and Bass (both deserving of them). There were therefore two remaining, one of which would almost certainly have gone to Golding. However, both Sean Hodkin and Brandon Murphy had wild card that they could choose when to use and they both chose to use them this week. "The LTA" had no choice in this. I very much suspect that Oliver Golding will be getting a wild card next week.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

CourtCrazy wrote:
To clear this up as there seems to be great confusion - their hands were tied on the wild card situation, they did not decide to not give him one. They awarded two wild cards last week to McHugh and Bass (both deserving of them). There were therefore two remaining, one of which would almost certainly have gone to Golding. However, both Sean Hodkin and Brandon Murphy had wild card that they could choose when to use and they both chose to use them this week. "The LTA" had no choice in this. I very much suspect that Oliver Golding will be getting a wild card next week.

I'm not too fussed either way but I think some people would say that, given that Oli had won the 15k in Italy, he should have been given one of the cards awarded to Bass or McHugh - you can't say that the the LTA didn't decide not to give him one - they did - because they decided not to give him one and that Bass and McHugh should get one instead.

(And I'm not saying that the two juniors didn't 'deserve' one but so did Golding, especially as it's his 'home' tournament (like Finn but not Aidan). (The Murphy/Hodkin cards, and their entitlement thanks to nationals/B Tour events, have been discussed before).

JonH · All-time great

Looking at today's OOP, interested to see lloyd v Jonathan Gray is on the second court with farquharson and escoffier on the main court at 9.30. All the other obviously attractive ties are on the main court

CourtCrazy · Social player

The wild cards for Bass and McHugh were decided on and awarded prior to Golding playing the Futures in Italy. They weren't prefered to him, they would have been getting one as well as him. I'm aware the issue of Murphy and Hodkin has been discussed but what wasn't discussed was that they could choose when to use their wild cards, which hey both used this week, taking the option away of giving one to Golding. My point is - it wasn't a considered decision to not award him one, once the first two had been awarded (prior to Golding ever being in the mix for one) they in theory still had two remaining. Then They didn't.

-- Edited by CourtCrazy on Wednesday 20th of September 2017 08:07:06 AM

-- Edited by CourtCrazy on Wednesday 20th of September 2017 08:15:21 AM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Jack loses out in the tie-break. Very good first ITF though, well done to him.

Bet Tom F will want to thank him too - Escoffier was obviously made to word very hard for that win.

Early signs are that you may be right on this one. Tom has taken the 1st set 6-2.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Jonny Gray has taken the 1st set off last weeks Champion, Lloyd, by 6-2, but Lloyd has an early break in the 2nd.

Ryan Storrie has dropped the opener, also by 6-2, against the 7th seed.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Wednesday 20th of September 2017 09:26:33 AM

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Jack loses out in the tie-break. Very good first ITF though, well done to him.

Bet Tom F will want to thank him too - Escoffier was obviously made to word very hard for that win.
Early signs are that you may be right on this one. Tom has taken the 1st set 6-2.

Forget "early signs". It is now Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Escoffier has retired at the end of the first set.

Edit

Was going to add that Tom probably owes Jack a pint after that one. Problem is, Jack is not old enough to drink one.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Wednesday 20th of September 2017 09:31:43 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Nice one to see the tiddlers helping out the oldies

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

CourtCrazy wrote:
The wild cards for Bass and McHugh were decided on and awarded prior to Golding playing the Futures in Italy. They weren't prefered to him, they would have been getting one as well as him. I'm aware the issue of Murphy and Hodkin has been discussed but what wasn't discussed was that they could choose when to use their wild cards, which hey both used this week, taking the option away of giving one to Golding. My point is - it wasn't a considered decision to not award him one, once the first two had been awarded (prior to Golding ever being in the mix for one) they in theory still had two remaining. Then They didn't.

I'm sure this isn't a big deal, and agree with Indy that Golding will very likely get a wildcard next week, but just in terms of how a tournament would normally be run:

Don't know about the nationals one but for the BT, Sean doesn't get to 'choose' when to use the wildcard, it's technically discretionary (from website: "Players need to make a timely request to the appropriate person in the LTA Mens or Womens Team. Which event the wild card is awarded for, is at the discretion of the LTA Mens or Womens Team).

Now if he's asked a month ago and they've said 'yes' then obviously they can't change their mind. But it you've committed two wildcards (to Sean and Brandon) in that way, then a normal tournament referee will not commit to two more (Aidan and Finn) two weeks early (i.e. before the result of the Italian futures) but will leave themselves some flexibility, for precisely the situation that arose.

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

In the case of British events, UK players don't apply to the tournament referee for WCs but to the LTA and often (but not always) they are agreed a couple of weeks in advance - particularly where young players are concerned who may have schooling to organise. So I suspect there wasn't one for Mr Golding without snubbing someone else by removing theirs. And they know the current level of commitment of the youngsters but not the current commitment level of Mr G.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes. And, of course, and as mentioned before, we don't even know for certain if Oli applied for one anyway.

And given the bad light/weather meaning the Sunday schedule was revised, much of the problem was done away with.

It's bad, though, for Jack Gibbens and Tommy Bennett - nobody likes a draw that is patently wrong (although we've seen many with falsely ranked players, or late entrants, so it's hardly unheard of). (NB I don't see the schooling as being much of an issue here as it was a late start (Sunday) so if the boys entered qualis, they knew they would have to be off school for a day or two whatever, a maindraw wildcard didn't change that. And if they were only prepared to play main draw not qualis, that's an issue in itself).

But, as said, I've no problem with whether he got one or not - the race down from Nottingham was not the best but it happens. It's up to him to get himself back in the mix. If he wants to. And can.

JonH · All-time great

Lloyd prevailed in 3 sets eventually against Gray. Ryan Storrie has gone out in straight sets though