Topemp wrote:

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Stircrazy wrote:

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QF:  (1) Jay Clarke WR 312 vs Sergi Pérez (ESP) WR 1190 (= CH)

The Spaniard saw off his compatriot, Jordi Samper, the seventh seed, by 4 & 2 in his second round match.

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 Perez was described as the only remaining #NextGen player left in the event, and obviously he got a good result against the #7 seed in the last round. Does anyone know what exactly a #NextGen player is, I think Jay was described similarly at some point?

Is it an official status and does it qualify the player for anything in particular? How does a young player become one? And when do you stop being one? Would be grateful to know. 

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Others will know the details better than me but the gist of it is that there is now an official Next Gen end-of year tournament (rather like the Masters) that will get played in November in Milan.

The top seven 21-and-under players of the season plus an Italian wild card will qualify for a round-robin tournament. Not sure the cut-off date for qualifying but similar to the Masters, I'd think.

And there are tons of different rules (no lets, sets will be first to four with tiebreaks at 3-3, and matches will be best-of-five sets with no-Ad scoring, shot clock etc. etc.). Crowd can move freely too.  

No ATP points but it's rich: total prize money of $1.275 million.

Coup Droit wrote:

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Topemp wrote:

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Stircrazy wrote:

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QF:  (1) Jay Clarke WR 312 vs Sergi Pérez (ESP) WR 1190 (= CH)

The Spaniard saw off his compatriot, Jordi Samper, the seventh seed, by 4 & 2 in his second round match.

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 Perez was described as the only remaining #NextGen player left in the event, and obviously he got a good result against the #7 seed in the last round. Does anyone know what exactly a #NextGen player is, I think Jay was described similarly at some point?

Is it an official status and does it qualify the player for anything in particular? How does a young player become one? And when do you stop being one? Would be grateful to know. 

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Others will know the details better than me but the gist of it is that there is now an official Next Gen end-of year tournament (rather like the Masters) that will get played in November in Milan.

The top seven 21-and-under players of the season plus an Italian wild card will qualify for a round-robin tournament. Not sure the cut-off date for qualifying but similar to the Masters, I'd think.

And there are tons of different rules (no lets, sets will be first to four with tiebreaks at 3-3, and matches will be best-of-five sets with no-Ad scoring, shot clock etc. etc.). Crowd can move freely too.  

No ATP points but it's rich: total prize money of $1.275 million.

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Thanks. 

Jay Clarke's ATP Profile page, has him listed as a Next Gen Contender, but this Perez guy (who is ranked at #1100 odd) can't be described as a contender, so guessing some people are using the phrase as a shorthand for player under 20.

Would be interesting to see how close Jay was to being in the top 7 under 21's, if there's anyone with the time, ability and inclination to research it. Sounds like it would be great if he could make it.

Jaggy1876 wrote:

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The Optimist wrote:

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Please NO!!!!! Let's not go through all that stuff AGAIN......... 

Edit:  A reply to Topemp asking about the challenger player definition......by too slow.....the other posts between his question and my tongue in cheek response makes it a bit meaningless  

-- Edited by The Optimist on Thursday 7th of September 2017 01:10:31 PM

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 It's certainly more entertaining to discuss than a lot of the this years US Open matches have been to watch.

And although my tongue was in my cheek it's again putting players in a group. So there is a point there somewhere.

In closing we could have had the Number 1 ATP player in Andy, Number 1 Challenger player in Kyle and Number 1 NextGen player in Jay

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 coudda shoudda woudda

Topemp wrote:

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Jay Clarke's ATP Profile page, has him listed as a Next Gen Contender, but this Perez guy (who is ranked at #1100 odd) can't be described as a contender, so guessing some people are using the phrase as a shorthand for player under 20.

Would be interesting to see how close Jay was to being in the top 7 under 21's, if there's anyone with the time, ability and inclination to research it. Sounds like it would be great if he could make it.

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 There are actually a load of players under 21 ranked ahead of Jay - I make it he is around 35th on official rankings. There are 12 in the top 150. And as the Race to Milan shows, quite a gap for Jay to make up.

Can't see any chance of Jay making it this year, Topemp (although he can be a 'contender', if he wants )

But presumably/hopefully he'll be a lot closer next year and even the year after (it's 21 and under so he's got two more years, no?)

And I don't see it as a real problem, Jaggy, if there's one or two or three players far better than the rest.

So Zverev, and Shapo, and Rublev, for instance, can slog it out for the bragging rights.

But that's no different, really, to Djoko and Nadal and Federer (and maybe Andy) having the main adults rankings locked up, as we've had for Lord knows how long....

It seems a bit artificial to me - sort of thing dreamt up in a marketing department because they're desperate to have some different names to promote.  And as for the format of it, well lots of our junior tennis is now played in this form and it's very unappealing to watch.  Everything is so truncated there is almost zero chance of any momentum shifts or mini-battles within a match.  I quite liked the event they used to put on at year end (maybe still do?) between the players who had won the most points on the challenger circuit.  Felt like it had a bit of substance to it.  

Agree exactly with what The Optimist has said above all seems a bit forced and unnecessary really. The Challenger finals have a lot more credence Id say. Perhaps a tweaking to include only challengers and futures points then you'd really see who is developing. Players going deep in Masters and Slams don't really need a spotlight. Changing it like I've suggested you'd see Auger Aliassime, Ruud etc and maybe Jay get a chance and also see those breaking through.