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Post Info TOPIC: Weeks 35 & 36: US Open, New York (hard)


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Weeks 35 & 36: US Open, New York (hard)


I was very surprised when checking bet365 for odds ( just to see that I wasn't forgetting any quite favoured player in the two polls ) to see that Andy was as short as 13/2. Guess he's been there and done it and there have been big withdrawals, but ...

Federer 7/4
Nadal 3/1
Zverev 13/2
Murray 13/2

16/1 bar these



-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 26th of August 2017 07:26:12 PM

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Not now he isn't

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Oh right. Didn't make any sense if his body is not right.

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Yes, he's done the wise thing.

But 5 out of the top 11 men not playing..... it's a bloodbath....

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Have to admit, I am actually relieved. From the comments I have seen, I just don't think he was ready to play.

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And old Federer ( oh how long will he keep playing? ) and Nadal ( oh when will his knees totally pack up? ) are there.

Would have been quite a tournament without them either.



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Total agree, I am very pleased he is not playing. He needs to get his hip fully assessed and take a long term view, ie what is best for him.

We don't know the details, it could be a soft tissue injury but given the he way he plays this is most likely a degenerative injury.
If so playing on has to be traded off against potential long term disability, an occupational hazard for the professional athlete. I have to be honest I just hope it sorts itself out, or it is sorted out and then he adjusts his schedule in a way that ir prevents long term problems.

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Reminds me of the season when Andy injured his wrist during the clay season, missed Roland Garros, then claimed to be touch and go for Wimbledon before pulling out late. When he eventually returned a month after Wimbledon, he couldn't even hit the ball at full power.

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So what will happen to the draw now ?

With the men in the general ATP tour they tend to less reorganize draws than with the WTA events where if seed 2 withdrew as far as I have observed 3 would go to 2, 5 to 3, 9 to 5, 17 to 9. The ATP tour seems to more just pop the highest non seed into the withdrawn player's slot. Not sure about the ( ITF ) Slams though.

I looked back to Wimbledon 2009 when the #1 seed Nadal withdrew after the draw and here the #5 seed Del Porto moved up to his place ( with the #17 seed moving into Del Potro's original slot).Though at least the remaining two top seeds, #2 Federer abd #3 seeds were already in different halves with Murray having been drawn in Nadal's half ( it was to be Andy's first Wimbledon SF, losing to Roddick ).

In this case the top two remaining seeds have been drawn in the same half. Anyway I assume rules and procedures are in force ( and the fact that they are also the two clear favourites should be irrelevant ) so we shall see before long.



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Stu Fraser posted this on twitter:

Changed US Opem men's first round matches:

Cilic vs Sandgren
Querrey vs Simon
Kohlschreiber vs Smyczek
Paire vs Lacko

8:26 PM - Aug 26, 2017

Lacko is the LL.

Lots of Twitter trolls out complaining about Andy has ruined the draw for a Fedal final etc.

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kundalini wrote:

Reminds me of the season when Andy injured his wrist during the clay season, missed Roland Garros, then claimed to be touch and go for Wimbledon before pulling out late. When he eventually returned a month after Wimbledon, he couldn't even hit the ball at full power.


Yes, I recall that. I don't know how touch and go he was here but some won't thank him for withdrawing a day after the draw was made ( edit - and they didn't! - this post crossed with flamingowing's one above )

I actually recall in that Wimbledon he withdrew ( although in that case he was a lower seed, #8 ) that he got adverse comment from some Americans about somone's chances having been mucked up compared to if he had withdrawn before the draw ( and as you suggest I am not sure he was truly close then ).



-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 26th of August 2017 08:30:01 PM

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flamingowings wrote:

Stu Fraser posted this on twitter:

Changed US Opem men's first round matches:

Cilic vs Sandgren
Querrey vs Simon
Kohlschreiber vs Smyczek
Paire vs Lacko

8:26 PM - Aug 26, 2017

Lacko is the LL.

Lots of Twitter trolls out complaining about Andy has ruined the draw for a Fedal final etc.


 

Ah, So they have basically followed the Wimbledon 2009 basis of a top 2 seed withdrawing, #5 moves into his slot, #17 up, new #33 up and LL in.

Although I can imagine the Twitter vitriol ( and we all know the absolutely OTT stuff that that medium can induce ) there is probably a reasonable point to made or at least question to be asked. And if Andy wasn't really close he has been a bit naughty and maybe kind of 'ruined' some things though who knows how events will unfold. So I do hope he was so close that a day really made that difference with unfortunately day one being draw day.

Some of you will by the way know how big an Andy supporter I am so don't start trolling me



-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 26th of August 2017 08:26:32 PM

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Most of what people are complaining about is no Fedal final - there is a projected Fedal SF. If they both get there. I mean, we have had a few (more than anyone ever expected) Fedal finals this year (3?)

 



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Presumably Andy must have thought there was still a chance of him being able to play even if he was deluding himself (a bit like me forlornly hoping illness would abate quickly enough for me to go and watch the US Open this year - hope those who are going much further and do make it have a wonderful time btw!) - certainly nobody can realistically claim that he waited to see whether or not he got a decent draw before deciding whether to play, given that he got just about the kindest draw he could have hoped for!

If the US Open didn't want to risk the top two seeds remaining ending up in the same half if one of the original top two withdrew, they could easily have avoided that possibility by setting up the replacement rule differently.

 



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Yes, I don't know why their rules don't have the #3 seed moving into a withdrawn #1 or #2 seed's position. It is potentially ( or will be seen to be ) a much bigger issue than the moves they do make. But as I said it does seem to have been just as Wimbledon 2009 though at least there the #3 seed was in the 'right' half.

Basically then Federer would have gone into Murray's place and Cilic into Federer's rather than Murray's place.



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