Week 31 - ATP 500 - Citi Open - Washington DC, USA (hard)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Week 31 - ATP 500 - Citi Open - Washington DC, USA (hard)

indiana · Tennis legend

Jaffa wrote:
Getting a bit worried about Kyle. 3 set losses to good players is happening WAY too often. Needs to win these matches to progress further.

For Kyle's ranking I think it is true to say that he gets very few big wins Top 50 players and lower will have generally stuck in a really big win somewhere. Kyle's CH win remains against WR 15 ( Gasquet and Pouille ). Indeed he has just 3 top 50 wins all year, certainly recently that good win over Sock WR 17, Evo for instance has 6 such wins this year, including top 10 wins over Cilic and Thiem, though they are probably too small and varied samples to go too overboard on this year. Just a bit of a trend for now.

I read what Oakland says and yes it may just be that stage before he starts getting one or two bigger wins, gets over the line and it begins to really flow more. He has certainly put in some very competitive losing performances against top 10 players. And I know that it would take rather a lot to ever worry Oakland about Kyle

stevemcqueen · Futures qualifying

Isn't it better that he loses in three instead of two? I know the points and money are the same and the most important thing is getting the W. Better this conversation than asking why he never stretches the top players and never takes a set off them.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Yes, and it is a great conversation to be having. His potential for improvement at 22 is still significant, how many games has he had against top 20 players? Perhaps 15 up to the last 12 months in his whole career, that's a guess. Generally we have seen him move up virtual divisions (futures, challengers, unseeded ATP/slams in two year cycles and he seems to be about to come through the unseeded ATP level, once he does that as mentioned previously he will get byes and a pretty good idea of who he is likely to play in the round of 16 (ATP 250/500) and round of 32 in the slams and can intensively prepare the appropriate game plan.

christ · Futures level

Oakland2002 wrote:
Yes, and it is a great conversation to be having. His potential for improvement at 22 is still significant, how many games has he had against top 20 players? Perhaps 15 up to the last 12 months in his whole career, that's a guess. Generally we have seen him move up virtual divisions (futures, challengers, unseeded ATP/slams in two year cycles and he seems to be about to come through the unseeded ATP level, once he does that as mentioned previously he will get byes and a pretty good idea of who he is likely to play in the round of 16 (ATP 250/500) and round of 32 in the slams and can intensively prepare the appropriate game plan.

If the top 10 were in his cohort he would thrash them!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

QF: (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 11 (5+6) defeated (Q) James Cerretani & Marc Polmans (USA/AUS) CR 180 - & it's gold!!!(94+86) by 2-6 6-3 [19-17]

and on the night when Sir Flymo takes his tenth World Athetics Championships medal in the 10,000 metres in London - & it's gold!!! biggrin

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

SF: (1) Henri Kontinen & John Peers (FIN/AUS) CR 5 (2+3) vs (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 11 (5+6)

Oakland2002 · All-time great

christ wrote:
Oakland2002 wrote:
Yes, and it is a great conversation to be having. His potential for improvement at 22 is still significant, how many games has he had against top 20 players? Perhaps 15 up to the last 12 months in his whole career, that's a guess. Generally we have seen him move up virtual divisions (futures, challengers, unseeded ATP/slams in two year cycles and he seems to be about to come through the unseeded ATP level, once he does that as mentioned previously he will get byes and a pretty good idea of who he is likely to play in the round of 16 (ATP 250/500) and round of 32 in the slams and can intensively prepare the appropriate game plan.
If the top 10 were in his cohort he would thrash them!

ouch!

steven · Tennis legend

My wife calls to say she's lunching in Wholefoods & there's tennis on one of the screens there, so she thought I might like to know. "One of them is Murray but he's even skinnier than before if that's possible, he's playing against Soares" ... Well, almost right on both counts

and they did come from a break down to level the 1st set while she was talking to me, so she must count as a good luck charm. Into a tiebreak now (that's from livescores, she has lost interest and gone in search of coffee ...)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

SF: (1) Henri Kontinen & John Peers (FIN/AUS) CR 5 (2+3) defeated (3) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 11 (5+6) by 6-7(4) 7-5 [10-8] cry