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Weeks 27 & 28 - Wimbledon (grass) - men's doubles


Coup Droit wrote:
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I don't think he's having a go at Groth, I think quite the opposite. He's saying that as Groth+, a good singles player, can beat Jamie+, a top doubles player, that begs a few questions about the ranking system (and their validity) for doubles. Which is not a criticism, really, just an observation about doubles rankings that several of us have made. And definitely not a criticism of Groth.
And the 'real stuff' is just a gentle joke


In support of Mark, I don't see remarks like this (from the first page of the Wichita thread) as "a gentle joke":

Really hope Luke isn't retiring from tennis to take up doubles

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No, I see that as a serious hope that one of our most touted young singles players, previously fully supported as such by the LTA, is not - at the tender age of 22 - giving up singles to concentrate on doubles. And a hope that I completely agree with. (Although he obviously has my full support for his doubles exploits).


Maybe so, but that still doesn't give him the right to see singles as "tennis" & to dismiss doubles as something else entirely.  furious



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Stircrazy wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
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I don't think he's having a go at Groth, I think quite the opposite. He's saying that as Groth+, a good singles player, can beat Jamie+, a top doubles player, that begs a few questions about the ranking system (and their validity) for doubles. Which is not a criticism, really, just an observation about doubles rankings that several of us have made. And definitely not a criticism of Groth.
And the 'real stuff' is just a gentle joke


In support of Mark, I don't see remarks like this (from the first page of the Wichita thread) as "a gentle joke":

Really hope Luke isn't retiring from tennis to take up doubles

furious


No, I see that as a serious hope that one of our most touted young singles players, previously fully supported as such by the LTA, is not - at the tender age of 22 - giving up singles to concentrate on doubles. And a hope that I completely agree with. (Although he obviously has my full support for his doubles exploits).


Maybe so, but still doesn't give him the right to see singles as "tennis" & to dismiss doubles as something else entirely.  furious


 

Yes, fair point from CD about many would not like Luke to give up singles entirely, but very clearly it is also another dig at doubles from Jaggy on top of such stuff as "70% luck" ( while there may be a place for intelligent debate, that isn't it ). The "gentle jokes" some may think as becoming tiresome a few too often pointed jokes. It's joking 'at' too, which can be less than pleasant when clearly some posters really do enjoy doubles and the different skills and sometimes very enjoyable matches that can be seen in that event.

When one doesn't like doubles it is quite unnecessary to keep coming into doubles discussions in this way.

If Jaggy or anyone else wants to seriously discuss what doubles has to offer maybe start a separate thread on "The Merits of Doubles" or something. 



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This board structure is dedicated to following different aspects of tennis. If someone was making derisive comments about jnr tennis, the folks who follow the jnr's wouldn't be too thrilled either. It's right that people can come here to enjoy following their areas(s) without having to hear a campaign of what are snide comments saying that their area of interest and enjoyment is essentially rubbish, or at least second rate. Express it somewhere clearly and elaborately if that's how you feel and permit a discussion. But to continually lace posts with it is antagonistic and unnecessary. And the person doing it already understands that.



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How about having a thread to discuss the merits of doubles tennis - and keeping all this out of the thread on this tournament. It does get a bit tedious after a few pages, especially with the constant quoting of the whole of previous posts.

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the addict wrote:

How about having a thread to discuss the merits of doubles tennis - and keeping all this out of the thread on this tournament. It does get a bit tedious after a few pages, especially with the constant quoting of the whole of previous posts.


  Not in favour of that idea, as I don't have a problem with doubles & rarely intervene when things start getting heated, but I was absolutely incensed when I saw Jaggy's comments on the Wichita thread & made a mental note of what he'd said.  I would, however, support the creation of a forum in which he could argue the merits (or should that be the absence of them in his case?) with himself until the cows came home.  wink  For the record, I quote previous posts because there's no guarantee that people will bother to go back far enough to see how a particular line of argument developed & will come in with half-baked theories.



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I have read one or two what could only be described as 'unkind' posts  from Jaggy over the last year.   Ones which would make Ruth Davidson proud he is not supporting her.



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Stircrazy wrote:
the addict wrote:

How about having a thread to discuss the merits of doubles tennis - and keeping all this out of the thread on this tournament. It does get a bit tedious after a few pages, especially with the constant quoting of the whole of previous posts.


  Not in favour of that idea, as I don't have a problem with doubles & rarely intervene when things start getting heated, but I was absolutely incensed when I saw Jaggy's comments on the Wichita thread & made a mental note of what he'd said.  I would, however, support the creation of a forum in which he could argue the merits (or should that be the absence of them in his case?) with himself until the cows came home.  wink  For the record, I quote previous posts because there's no guarantee that people will bother to go back far enough to see how a particular line of argument developed & will come in with half-baked theories.


 Thank you Stircrazy, it was the Wichita thread that was particularly bad, I just couldn't remember where he'd said it.

We don't need a thread debating doubles here's what we all need to do:  If you like doubles, watch it and then comment on here if you wish.   If you don't like doubles, then don't watch it and stay off the doubles postings.  Simples. xx

 



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It's just one person's opinion and he's entitled to hold it. If you disagree that's fine, but I don't think anyone can say he doesn't have the right to post his view on a form of tennis on a tennis forum.

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Fabulous win for Marcus and Jay, what a great experience it is and long may it continue, I don't think Marcus is really DC material in the ideal world unless he gets a regular partner ?Dom and starts ripping up the world of doubles.

I know we have done this too death but this win purely underlines the potential he has or increasingly had, he is on a par with Jamie at the very least as a singles player but not got close to the level at which Jamie found frustration and then focused his entire energies on becoming the best doubles player he could be and to be fair he didn't do that badly!

Perhaps Marcus should focus on the mixed as well he would undoubtedly be a charming partner and athleticism is not an absolute the problem would be getting a decent rank to allow access based on merit to tournaments other than Wimbledon. If not plan B: the "Good Morning" sofa.



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Sunday 9th of July 2017 09:49:06 AM


 If  Jaybomb as I have nicknamed them win tomorrow then marcus doubs ranking will be around 170 while his singles ranking will drop significantly I hope he can win sufficient points at Wimbledon to go into top 100 doubles and then compete in all 4 grand slams 


 'Jaybomb' perfect, I love that, a bit like 'Jedward' but better.  Phone up the Beeb and get that out there in time for the next match, lol.



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Spaced wrote:

It's just one person's opinion and he's entitled to hold it. If you disagree that's fine, but I don't think anyone can say he doesn't have the right to post his view on a form of tennis on a tennis forum.


No one's denying that.  The problem is that he was dismissing doubles as something other than tennis & that's just not on!  furious   



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Wow came on here to share the joy of that match yesterday and instead just wading through loads of childish drivel. This place is going downhill

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We are here at the grace of the people who created and run the forum. If they don't any like particular user, they are at liberty to deactivate their account. No one has a fundamental right to be a member here. If someone sets up a website dedicated to following a topic they are interested in and pay the hosting out of their own money, go check with a lawyer to examine what your rights are for becoming a member of it. Zero. Same as a way a shop can refuse you entry if they wish because they don't like the shorts you are wearing or whatever, because the location is their private property. Even if you feel you have a fundamental right to be able to shop at Tesco, you don't. (They have to avoid falling foul of discrimination laws but that's something else)

I saw Vandenburg recently say some nonsense about how he was a British tax payer so that entitles him to come here to this forum and say whatever he wants about the LTA. In the truest terms, very few of us here have a 'right' to even be here. Only the persons that own the domain.

Sorry but I had to say this because I've seen a few people referring to their ideas of posting entitlements and rights recently on this website. Your rights here? Fewer than some seem to think. The owner of this site can replace the text of every post you make with a single picture of a chicken if they wish to. That's as far as our 'rights' to to lambast the LTA etc on this site honesty go.



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seagull wrote:

Wow came on here to share the joy of that match yesterday and instead just wading through loads of childish drivel. This place is going downhill


It's a pity it took over this thread, which would be far more fun if it was just about what happened yesterday, but outbreaks of drivel and minor spats between posters have been happening here from time to time almost since the forum began. There's still far less of it than on most sports forums, so best just to ignore it and enjoy the worthwhile stuff.

 

 



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The stuff and nonsense is pretty easy to flick through and occasionally there is a valid point buried in the poisonous rhetoric. It would have washed out pretty quickly normally just a slow tennis day.

Personally I am buzzing for Jay and Marcus, and indirectly for Gary

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