Kyle Edmund

christ · Futures level

RE: Kyle Edmund

emmsie69 · Top national player

JonH comes home wrote:
the telegraph also carry a similar article.

www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2019/10/07/next-kyle-edmund-soon-lose-status-british-mens-tennis-number/

They interestingly focus on the Bahamas tax exile position and how it has maybe isolated Kyle in terms of practice partners and from friends and family; and also the pressures of being number one and possibly being over-ranked.

Be interesting to see how Dan copes with that, but also the fact we could now be heading into a year with 4 genuine challengers for the top spot , if Dan, Cam, Kyle and Andy play to their abilities.

It would be ironic if moving to the Bahamas to save tax ended up reducing his income by far more than what he would've paid out in tax. No way of really quantifying whether or not it has affected him but I think its Alonso the F1 driver that moved back to Spain to be closer to family and friends, think it cost him somwhere around £50 million in tax but as he said he isn't poor just a little less rich

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
the telegraph also carry a similar article.

www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2019/10/07/next-kyle-edmund-soon-lose-status-british-mens-tennis-number/

They interestingly focus on the Bahamas tax exile position and how it has maybe isolated Kyle in terms of practice partners and from friends and family; and also the pressures of being number one and possibly being over-ranked.

Be interesting to see how Dan copes with that, but also the fact we could now be heading into a year with 4 genuine challengers for the top spot , if Dan, Cam, Kyle and Andy play to their abilities.
It would be ironic if moving to the Bahamas to save tax ended up reducing his income by far more than what he would've paid out in tax. No way of really quantifying whether or not it has affected him but I think its Alonso the F1 driver that moved back to Spain to be closer to family and friends, think it cost him somwhere around £50 million in tax but as he said he isn't poor just a little less rich

Very well put.

Toby · Lower Club Player

Wake up call will be when he drops to British #4 which is where he is headed.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Toby wrote:
Wake up call will be when he drops to British #4 which is where he is headed.

Not quite sure "wake up call" is what he needs. I am sure Kyle is already fully aware of the issues and challenges he has going on right now. Glad to see he has taken a WC into Qualies in Antwerp. Hoping the memories of his win there last year will bring him some inspiration.

Julia Carrot · All-time great

Bob in Spain wrote:
Toby wrote:
Wake up call will be when he drops to British #4 which is where he is headed.
Not quite sure "wake up call" is what he needs. I am sure Kyle is already fully aware of the issues and challenges he has going on right now. Glad to see he has taken a WC into Qualies in Antwerp. Hoping the memories of his win there last year will bring him some inspiration.

Yes, I agree Bob. it's not a 'wake up call' he really needs. I suspect a nutritionist such as Djokovic had might help him - body and mind are interdependent and some imbalance is really holding Kyle back at the moment. (but then I'm always of the mind that 'Food is the best medicine'.)

indiana · Tennis legend

Sorry to be repetitive but its the relative timidity on court that he has returned to that I find most disappointing.

He has said himself before that he needed to give out stronger messages and credited Rosengren for some of the changes in this area and the Telegraph article again discusses this, even in the print version's title "Edmund struggles after losing touch with his inner tiger" - not sure about tiger ever but point made.

Now I think coaches are very important but has Kyle no memory of the lessons Rosengren was giving him in this regard and surely he should have more self motivation powers to give out some of the message he was giving last year such as the fist pumps, the trotting to the baseline etc? The Telegraph again: " "Fake it 'til you make it," they say ..." Whatever, I found it quite convincing last year even knowing it was a change, more convincing than the old Henman fist pumps. Yet it seems in his mind an/the answer to this and more is to have Rosengren back. Now that would probably be for the good but he's coming up to 25 now, more should really be coming from self.

Now of course Kyle has had injuries and more particularly illnesses in the past that may have contributed to his downbeat demeanour at times. But if he is fine now in these regards ( more just suffering from a lack of confidence ) and has talked about this issue before then sorry, he really does need that wake up call ( bomb up the backside I suggested before ). It's very disappointing. Being aware of the issues and challenges is not enough. Seeming to be such a sound determined guy to these who have met him is not enough. Action?!

For he has the talent to be doing so very much better.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 12th of October 2019 01:32:58 PM

SuperT · Futures level

I agree with Bob. The "need for a wake up call" suggests he hasn't been trying or hasn't realised what's been happening and I find it impossible to believe that either of those are true. Kyle has always had the reputation for hard work and dedication - even as a youngster - and I'm sure he's been trying to work out how to turn things round but hasn't yet succeeded. Maybe at 26 he should be capable of being self sufficient, but lack of confidence is very difficult to overcome and sometimes you just need some outside help to help. I feel if he could find the right coach or sports psychologist to help get over this run of bad form he can definitely come good again. Good luck to the lad.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

SuperT wrote:
I agree with Bob. The "need for a wake up call" suggests he hasn't been trying or hasn't realised what's been happening and I find it impossible to believe that either of those are true. Kyle has always had the reputation for hard work and dedication - even as a youngster - and I'm sure he's been trying to work out how to turn things round but hasn't yet succeeded. Maybe at 26 he should be capable of being self sufficient, but lack of confidence is very difficult to overcome and sometimes you just need some outside help to help. I feel if he could find the right coach or sports psychologist to help get over this run of bad form he can definitely come good again. Good luck to the lad.

Kyle is only 24.

SuperT · Futures level

Bob in Spain wrote:
SuperT wrote:
I agree with Bob. The "need for a wake up call" suggests he hasn't been trying or hasn't realised what's been happening and I find it impossible to believe that either of those are true. Kyle has always had the reputation for hard work and dedication - even as a youngster - and I'm sure he's been trying to work out how to turn things round but hasn't yet succeeded. Maybe at 26 he should be capable of being self sufficient, but lack of confidence is very difficult to overcome and sometimes you just need some outside help to help. I feel if he could find the right coach or sports psychologist to help get over this run of bad form he can definitely come good again. Good luck to the lad.
Kyle is only 24.

Sorry I got that wrong but I think comments are still valid.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

SuperT wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
SuperT wrote:
I agree with Bob. The "need for a wake up call" suggests he hasn't been trying or hasn't realised what's been happening and I find it impossible to believe that either of those are true. Kyle has always had the reputation for hard work and dedication - even as a youngster - and I'm sure he's been trying to work out how to turn things round but hasn't yet succeeded. Maybe at 26 he should be capable of being self sufficient, but lack of confidence is very difficult to overcome and sometimes you just need some outside help to help. I feel if he could find the right coach or sports psychologist to help get over this run of bad form he can definitely come good again. Good luck to the lad.
Kyle is only 24.
Sorry I got that wrong but I think comments are still valid.

I agree. It just gives him an extra two years to find the answers wink

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Coup Droit wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
the telegraph also carry a similar article.

www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2019/10/07/next-kyle-edmund-soon-lose-status-british-mens-tennis-number/

They interestingly focus on the Bahamas tax exile position and how it has maybe isolated Kyle in terms of practice partners and from friends and family; and also the pressures of being number one and possibly being over-ranked.

Be interesting to see how Dan copes with that, but also the fact we could now be heading into a year with 4 genuine challengers for the top spot , if Dan, Cam, Kyle and Andy play to their abilities.
It would be ironic if moving to the Bahamas to save tax ended up reducing his income by far more than what he would've paid out in tax. No way of really quantifying whether or not it has affected him but I think its Alonso the F1 driver that moved back to Spain to be closer to family and friends, think it cost him somwhere around £50 million in tax but as he said he isn't poor just a little less rich
Very well put.

I find it very hard to support Sportsman who do this. Kyle is the polar opposite from Andy is this way. Tax evasion no matter how legal really irks me.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Kyle is trying to line up Del Potro's ex coach for next season.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-7623203/Kyle-Edmund-set-call-Grand-Slam-winning-coach-season-bid-revive-flagging-career.html

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
Kyle is trying to line up Del Potro's ex coach for next season.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-7623203/Kyle-Edmund-set-call-Grand-Slam-winning-coach-season-bid-revive-flagging-career.html

Interesting and he will know how to use that huge forehand well and also has been there and done it, ie top 30 player.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Sort of Kyle.

Rosengren has come back as new coach to Khachanov...

twitter.com/DavidLawTennis/status/1200912677645750273