Kyle Edmund

emma · Strong Club Player

Kyle Edmund

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Relevant seedings at RG to the discussions on this thread.

9 Isner
10 Carreño Busta
11 Schwartzman
12 Querrey
13 Bautista Agut
14 Sock
15 Pouille
16 Kyle

17 Berdych
18 Fognini
19 Chung
20 Nishikori
21 Djokovic
22 Kyrgios
23 Kohlschreiber
24 Wawrinka

So mathematical probabilities aside, the 17-24 bracket looks stronger than the 9-16 bracket. So perhaps 17 would have been better for Kyle after all. Only time will tell.

christ · Futures level

wolf wrote:
Yeah, I take your point, but clearly I just couldn't be @rsed to write "if Nadal makes it that far", which lets face it he will.

I know, any difference that makes no difference is no difference. I just cant help myself, its like grammar geeks and apostrophes. Sorry.

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Priesty wrote:
You have to admit, from no. 49 to no. 17 in just under 4 months is pretty darn impressive by anyone's standards.....

Agreed biggrin

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

I know there are also people who think his seeding/ranking is heavily skewed by his performance at the AO where he "allegedly" had an easy draw. So it is interesting to note that even had he lost in the 1st round at the AO, he would still be seeded here at RG - just.

flamingowings · All-time great

The headline has now been changed but not before a lot of criticism (inl several players) and Kyle's dad have seen it.

twitter.com/guardian/status/999601057817866242

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Pretty insulting to everyone really, Kyle, Tim, his family and anyone who takes an interest, ie a proper one (which excludes almost all sports journalists) in Tennis. Extremely disappointing for what is generally a decent thoughtful paper. Obviously Kyle is completely different to both in terms of his game, character, best surface etc.. the only thing they have in common is success.

I echo his dads view which was throughout pretty calm and measured, in that the headline shows a complete lack of understanding as to how good a tennis player Tim Henman was and for how long.

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Friday 25th of May 2018 06:08:10 AM

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Friday 25th of May 2018 06:09:37 AM

flamingowings · All-time great

Absolutely Oakland. Kyle's dad also brings up the very valid point that people will associate the headline with the writer.

It's now been changed to read - Kyle Edmund: Is he really the new Andy Murray?

Why can't he be the new Kyle?

JonH · All-time great

flamingowings wrote:
Absolutely Oakland. Kyle's dad also brings up the very valid point that people will associate the headline with the writer.

It's now been changed to read - Kyle Edmund: Is he really the new Andy Murray?

Why can't he be the new Kyle?

Hi - i am not sure if it is to do with how cookies are stored but I am on the Guardian at the moment and it is still the original headline mentioning Tim Henman?

Either way, agree with the sentiments and if I were Tim Henman I would also be really disappointed in this. Is the Guardian headline writer capable of claiming he is top 4 in the world at his job? Probably not on this evidence

christ · Futures level

Do we all now take offence on other people's behalf just for the fun of it?

It is lazy all round, but the intent is clear: "Andy Murray" is shorthand for "A Brit that wins Grand Slams and gets to World Number One", and "Tim Henman" is shorthand for "A home favourite Brit that can get to, and stay in, the top 10 without ever really looking like the favourite to win a Grand Slam or getting to World Number One".

In either case it is slovenly but not insulting (in my opinion): If I were Mr Edmund I would be happy to be described as "A home favourite Brit that can get to, and stay in, the top 10 without ever really looking like the favourite to win a Grand Slam or getting to World Number One", and even happier to be "A Brit that wins Grand Slams and gets to World Number One" - as his Dad says we all know that he is, and always will be, the first "Kyle Edmund", whomsoever that turns out to be. I believe that Mr Murray had to put up with similar shorthand epithets in his youth, but more worryingly for him the alternatives were Bunny Austin and Fred Perry.

At least Mr Edmund has outgrown being called "Kyle Bogdanovich"!

Tennis Nut · Social player

I objected to the headline which I thought was crass and undermined Tim's success. Otherwise the article was balanced and I don't think it insulted anyone. In any event, perceived insults are just one person's opinion on a situation. It's rarely the truth and matters not. Opinions, a.....s. We all have one but they don't count for much.

Michael D · All-time great

This is the headline now: "Kyle Edmund no match for Murray but he could hit Henman's heights"

It should be noted that usually the writer of an article is NOT responsible for the headline - that's the role that editors play. Basically they are just playing to the fact that most of the British public, even those who broadly follow sport, have only heard of those two male players. That in itself is a sad/ bad enough indictment of little influence we've had at the top of men's tennis for quite some time. Of course Greg Rusedski is just totally forgotten about. But sooner rather than later I suspect Kyle will become know as Kyle Edmund full stop... and so might even Cam Norrie, even if he has first to feature on the radar more systematically.

indiana · Tennis legend

Oh "Henman's heights" now is it. Really on a rescue mission now after the clear negative aspersions on Tim before. I hope whoever was responsible for the original headline has received an internal bollocking ( not least from the writer ) as well as taken to task publicly. And just think that bit more in future.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Kyle's defeat by Fognini in Paris today has seen him drop 1 place to 18 in the live rankings, with the possibility of dropping a further one or two places depending on how other results go. But with only 45 points to defend in the entire grass court season (an R1 win against Alex Ward at Wimbledon), we have to hope that he will improve on that over the next few weeks.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Bob in Spain wrote:
Kyle's defeat by Fognini in Paris today has seen him drop 1 place to 18 in the live rankings, with the possibility of dropping a further one or two places depending on how other results go. But with only 45 points to defend in the entire grass court season (an R1 win against Alex Ward at Wimbledon), we have to hope that he will improve on that over the next few weeks.

Yes the fearhand will have to get over his fear of coming to the net to score many points on the grass. Watching him against Fognini I was pushing him through the TV to move forward a bit. A very hard to watch game indeed.