Emojji in draw lists

skibbarriz · Strong Club Player

Emojji in draw lists

wolf · Tennis legend

Talk to Stircrazy, and I think you'll find Indy agrees with you.

steven · Tennis legend

I've always liked to see emojis on results (i.e. on an objective basis) to make it doubly clear who won each match and to give a general impression of how good or bad a day has been, particularly when lots of Brits are playing in the same round, but I don't like seeing them on draws.

Having said that, I think they're harmless - I'm \more than capable of developing my "own independent impressions and feelings towards draws" despite seeing an emoji next to each match - indeed, when I disagree with an emoji next to a match that hasn't been played yet, if anything it makes the feeling of disagreement more pronounced.

In the end, they are just a shorthand way of saying what you think of each draw and I certainly wouldn't be in favour of banning people from commenting on the draws, even if we do tend to be slightly (maybe in some cases "very"

) biased towards thinking draws are worse for Brits than they actually are.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

I have always taken the Emojis on draws as a simple "easy to see" code to say "playing a higher/lower ranked player" and not an expression of opinion on the draw.

indiana · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Talk to Stircrazy, and I think you'll find Indy agrees with you.

Moi ? bleh bleh bleh

While yes I do see the point and have remarked probably a couple of times at particular instances, in truth I more generally agree with Steven.

We are all different and I'm generally more whatever re draws and results, more just happy and grateful that they are there ( and we have had discussions re say what way round loss scores should be and then all continued to do what we do ).

I partly see the point but nowhere near the seeming extent skibbarriz seems to think re the tone it sets. Tone I think is quite important, I just don't think in this case it is a big problem issue. And as I suspect many more seasoned forumites like I more come to our own opinions anyway on match ups ( maybe newer people do see the emojis as some sort of guidance ? ) or at least I much more note and possibly engage with folk's actual comments.

So, yes I see the general point, but no I don't see it as a big problem, but more like many things in the forum not really as I would do if I had a template, but whatever ( and just letting be I think is a good general aspect of this forum ).

Sorry, that was meant to be much shorter.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I don't particularly care for the emojis on the draws, although I do like them for the results, especially for clear-cut results that you want to stand out.

But the thing I like about this forum is that there is no 'standard' way that has to be followed. Everybody who posts results has a slightly different way of doing so (surname first or not, British player first whatever or following the draw layout, results as 2-6 2-6 is someone loses or round the normal way etc. etc.)

As long as it's clear, accurate and not offensive then anything goes and if the person has taken the time to post them then they get to call.

So although I happen to agree, I think the only right answer is for you to post the results/draws as you like to see them and then hope it gets followed.

blob · All-time great

For results I always liked Steven's code:

lost to lower ranked player

lost to higher ranked player

won against lower ranked player

won against higher ranked player

There's always context: is the player a top upcoming junior, or college player; have they been out for a long time injured, or otherwise; are they terrible on a given surface; are they in terrible form? etc
But quite a lot of that is subjective, where as a simple indication of the relative rankings is factual, and over the long term, is always a pretty good guide as to the quality of a result.

For draws, it's slightly different, but even if the emoji are there, it doesn't stop one from forming their own contrary opinion, and expressing it with supportive evidence - which often happens, and sparks additional commentary.

I quite like selective emoji in certain circumstances for draws.
For example, if we have just two GB players in a far overseas event, and they get drawn against each other in round one, then a

seems fitting.
It serves as a condensed summation of the feeling that, although the all-GB draw means we will guarantee a victory, we'd rather have the chance for both players to have a good week, with both 'going deep'.
Or, if in a $15K there is a player ranked, say, WR 120 and the next highest ranked player is WR 300, and our top hope gets that 'vulturing' player in round one, a

seems justified.

I always appreciate the extra detail people put in draws, or, even, that they so fastidiously put up al the draws and results at all. Peter Too & Stircrazy - the chief amanuenses - provide an amazing service.
Thanks everyone.

wolf · Tennis legend

I agree with blob.

DF · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
I agree with blob.

So do I

wimdledont · Challenger level

Particularly agree with blob's vote of thanks to Peter Too and Stircrazy.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Emojis or whatever they are called are fine by me, adds a bit of colour and emotion. The original poster maybe needs to get out a bit more I think.

the addict · Tennis legend

I also agree with Blob - and I like the way emojis are being used not only in the draws, but generally.

Shhh · Challenger level

I think your wider point is one I agree with skibbarriz. We can all look at the draws differently. I notice on this board a tendency to view draws as bad unless they've lower a lower ranked player in the first round. Personally at futures, challenger or ATP250 level, if a Brit makes a draw (unseeded) by right, or through qualies or indeed WC, I look for them to win 2 rounds. I dont see a solitary win in most of this events as significant progress....make the quarters however and it will almost certainly feature in their top 16/18. To do that, they must get past a seed. So if they draw the 7th or 8th seed in the 1st round I am pleased that its not someone higher and view it as an okay draw and of course often surface, form etc can make it an excellent chance to progress.

Its all opinions of course, and we're all different (thank goodness). By and large the reporting and work done by so many here is of such a high standard, the fact that it dosen't all follow the rules and wishes of "Shhh" is quite understandable biggrin

indiana · Tennis legend

Shhh wrote:
I think your wider point is one I agree with skibbarriz. We can all look at the draws differently. I notice on this board a tendency to view draws as bad unless they've lower a lower ranked player in the first round. Personally at futures, challenger or ATP250 level, if a Brit makes a draw (unseeded) by right, or through qualies or indeed WC, I look for them to win 2 rounds. I dont see a solitary win in most of this events as significant progress....make the quarters however and it will almost certainly feature in their top 16/18. To do that, they must get past a seed. So if they draw the 7th or 8th seed in the 1st round I am pleased that its not someone higher and view it as an okay draw and of course often surface, form etc can make it an excellent chance to progress.

Its all opinions of course, and we're all different (thank goodness). By and large the reporting and work done by so many here is of such a high standard, the fact that it dosen't all follow the rules and wishes of "Shhh" is quite understandable

Think you're pretty much like me, Shhh, with quite a few things re draws and results being not as per the imaginary template I would draw up, and that's of course the case as we are all different, and a generally very good thing too.

I think to date it would be fair to say the initial post has beem read and commented on by quite a few and by some agreed with to various extents. But I see no wish so far to actually lay down any further markers or change anything other than if individuals want to change anything themselves having noted comments.

steven · Tennis legend

I don't think there's any problem with people commenting on what they do and don't like about the way people report things from time to time (I'm always open to feedback on the T25 tables, for example, since I don't want to be confusing the hell out of everyone who uses them without knowing it!), as long as the people posting feel completely free to take on or ignore suggestions about presentation as they see fit. I certainly don't think there's any point trying to impose presentation styles on anyone, especially when certain people are putting a lot of time in posting things like results voluntarily, and I'm sure we all have reasons for the presentations we use, whether it be because we think it makes things clearer or simply because certain formats save us time.

When David (Sheddie) set up this board and the original britishtennis.net site (when it was full of articles rather than just stats), he gave contributors a lot of freedom and it clearly worked. In the end, I hugely appreciate the work put in by Peter, StirCrazy and everyone else who posts results and I'd much rather they continued to do so in whatever format they prefer than have us try to make life more difficult for them until they didn't feel it was worth doing it any more!

In any case, some of the quirks (SC's in particular) make me smile, so I wouldn't want to cramp her style, not that there is the remotest possibility that anyone could even if they tried. Talking of which, I came across someone with the first name Dijon over here - I thought maybe his parents were francophiles (or at least liked mustard LOL), then I heard someone say his name and realised that it was just that American trait SC hates so much of taking a perfectly good name and adding a random syllable to the start (also true of a lot of the current crop of US track athletes) - doesn't seem to have done him any harm though!