Week 24 - Challenger (€127,000+H) - Aegon Open, Nottingham, Great Britain (grass)

philwrig · Hall of fame

Week 24 - Challenger (€127,000+H) - Aegon Open, Nottingham, Great Britain (grass)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Ken & Neal took the 1st set 6-3. On serve in the 2nd at 3-2*.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Guaranteed finalists! biggrin Ken & Neal must be enjoying being back on the green stuff!

QF: Ken Skupski & Neal Skupski CR 212 (105+107) defeated Johan Brunström & Reilly Opelka (SWE/USA) UNR (128+0) by 3 & 5 smile

*****

SF: Brydan Klein & Joe Salisbury CR 333 (168+165) vs Ken Skupski & Neal Skupski CR 212 (105+107)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Brydan has been defaulted - by an umpire who has ZERO idea how to umpire - utterly ridiculous

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The stream has now cut - with Brydan asking for the supervisor.

From what I saw and was 100% clear: Brydan shouted at HIMSELF 'stupid, stupid' - when he netted a return on break point.

The umpire took this to be at Groth and gave him a game penalty for calling his opponent stupid.

From what I'm not 100% clear about: Brydan had got a warning before - for banging his racket. Fine. But it was only a game or so back. And I didn't see any point penalty. So how can the umpire have jumped to a game penalty?

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Thursday 15th of June 2017 05:47:42 PM

the addict · Tennis legend

ATP live scores are showing he lost 3 & 4

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, he was 5-4 down when Groth got awarded the game penalty

wolf · Tennis legend

The umpire was Lahyani, who is one of the best umpires in the world.

He wasn't defaulted, he was given a game penalty but he was obviously a game away from defeat so that meant GSM.

He was given a warning before for ball abuse.

At 4-4 break point down he hit a shot that was called just wide by a fairly elderly line judge and was thus broken. Then he got given a point penalty complaining about the call. I couldn't hear as I was on the other side except Lahyani saying you shouldn't talk about anybody like that.

During the next game he was complaining about the line judge saying you've got a 60 year old calling the lines. He somehow got to break back point but netted a return and cried out stupid person.

It was ambiguous whether he meant himself, Lahyani or the line judge but Lahyani obviously took it to mean one of the latter and gave him a game penalty. Brydan called the supervisor but we all know that never changes anything.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Thanks, Wolf. I didn't see the point penalty - I assumed there had to have been one - although Brydan seemed to think there hadn't been?

It seemed clear to me that he was shouting at himself 'stupid' because he was doing the gesture of how he should have made the shot.

And you're quite right, he's a very respected umpire. And, yes, Brydan is asking for trouble if he challenges everything.

However, I don't think Lahyani handled it well. And didn't handle the disputed call well either - saying he didn't see any chalk is not the right answer - after all, you can have chalk and it still be out when it's in the far corner (as it was) because it can be in the doubles bit. It meant they were then looking at the ball for chalk, which just prolonged everything and made no difference.

But if you were there, you obviously had a far better appreciation of how it went down, so to speak. So I'll go with your view.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Thursday 15th of June 2017 06:17:49 PM

wolf · Tennis legend

Clearly Brydan would have known there was a point penalty - he had to return at 0-15. It was at the start of the last game.

wolf · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:

However, I don't think Lahyani handled it well. And didn't handle the disputed call well either - saying he didn't see any chalk is not the right answer - after all, you can have chalk and it still be out when it's in the far corner (as it was) because it can be in the doubles bit. It meant they were then looking at the ball for chalk, which just prolonged everything and made no difference.

Well everyone knows Lahyani is like that. He's willing to joke around about things and have an open discussion.

wolf · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
But if you were there, you obviously had a far better appreciation of how it went down, so to speak. So I'll go with your view.

I'm not sure I stated a view! I would say the final penalty was not right as it was so ambigous what he meant!

wolf · Tennis legend

Having re-watched on the livestream, I'm definately willing to give Brydan the benefit of the doubt there. Pure power tripping from Lahyani.

the addict · Tennis legend

Stu Fraser just retweeted a clip of the point and the "discussion". Total over-reaction from Lahyani

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, just seen it on Stu Fraser's twitter. Utterly ridiculous.

Never watched what came before and I guess Brydan was getting under Lahyani's skin but that's clearly no excuse or is what appears to be such an utter misreading of a player's reaction when I guess 99% of folk would say it was to himself. At very best, as said, it was ambiguous and you don't game penalty on that.

I assume the supervisor didn't see the video or else he/she's as bad.