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Week 19 - ATP 1000 - Mutua Madrid Open - Spain (clay)


Someone should give Dan a Britishness test ( and slightly more wide-ranging than the Sun ). Maybe give Aljaz the same test. I'm sure Russell Fuller would be happy to set up a contest.

More seriously one hardly knows where to go with some of his comments but yes if he wishes to debate any of this on Twitter or elsewhere ( though I'd think some prolonged silence on the matter would be much better ) then hopefully he does so respectfully to those who do respectfully question his views ( yes, I know there will be plenty inflamatory idiots as well ).



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Everyone has the right to an opinion. And Dan has a point in some in some ways. But he seems to get on well with Cam Norrie, who has spent a lot less time (barely any) living in the UK than Aljaz, so would be interesting to see what he feels about Cam's situation.

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There's no shortage of British tennis players he can pick his way through. Let's not forget that Guernsey is not part of the United Kingdom. Has anyone told him that yet? Ah nvm, have to wait for it all to come out in Russell's quiz.

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Everyone is missing the point here.

The vast majority of people have no problem with plastic brits, and we adopt so many of them in other sports such as cricket (so many south africans) not to mention Greg Rud, (his mother was born in Yorkshire).

I have no problem with people coming to the UK, gaining the passport and then playing for the UK at any sport.

My problem, as is with most people, HOW can you take someone seriously as your own if he cannot even legally play for you!!!!!!!

Konta a little different, she came here at an earlier age, and then switched to team GB, and never even hinted at playing Fed cup for Aus.

Bedene is no different to James Blake, someone else that had a British passport but also could not represent GB.

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Because, Vandy, we do not live or die by what some ITF bods think re Davis Cup.

As said, the Olympic Committee may think differently.

So who's right?

And who cares?

Why do you choose to be dictated to by some non-legal body? Whose own rules are apt to change?

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We're not missing the point, we don't think that is the point ! ( if I might be so bold to speak for others as well, although it's not difficult to pick that up ). It's difficult to miss your Davis Cup eligibility point, you've made it a few times.

Oh, and I rather doubt you are in with "most people" but whatever, I know what I think.



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indiana wrote:

We're not missing the point, we don't think that is the point ! ( if I might be so bold to speak for others as well, although it's not difficult to pick that up ). It's difficult to miss your Davis Cup eligibility point, you've made it a few times.

Oh, and I rather doubt you are in with "most people" but whatever, I know what I think.


 You can certainly speak for me, Indy. 



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Dan's point I think appropriately reported on the front page of the guardian. Clearly and concisely he feels that Aljaz's move was economically driven and there is no point in recruiting players who cannot represent GB (the Olympics as yet (if ever) not relevant) the squad is presently deep enough (debatable?), he is frustrated by the media focus on Aljaz's success which has been driven by the LTA to improv his profile as he doesn't feel he has been supported in the same way while playing consistently at a higher level.

Reasonable points well made by someone experienced in cutting the wheat from the chaff when given a strict word limit for a few front page of the sport section. Not British but I do not carry would have definitely preferred to see Ms Bouchard's victory report in that space!

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Dan's stirring it again - from the Beeb's rolling sports news page:

Forthright views from Dan Evans following his Madrid Open defeat by Robin Haase.

When reminded by BBC tennis correspondent Russell Fuller that he was the British number four, Evans asked: "Fourth?" and when told it was behind Slovenia-born Aljaz Bedene, who became a British citizen in March 2015, he added: "Oh, so I'm third."

'I don't think he really believes he's British'

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More from Dan Evans, explaining his stance on Slovenia-born Aljaz Bedene, who was granted British citizenship in March 2015.

"It's nothing to do with Aljaz - I like him, he's not confrontational in any way but to me it doesn't sit well if you play for another country," Evans told BBC Sport after his defeat at the Madrid Open today. 

"I don't feel bad about him, but for me it's a bit baffling as to why. And now he lives in Slovenia as well - I don't think he really believes he's British either. It's just the citizenship rule, where he's lived here for five years. It's just a bit different, isn't it?"

Not sure that last bit makes complete sense!  And according to the ATP, Aljaz still lives in London.

 


There's a rather more informative (IMHO) article than Mark Dobson's in The Grauniad by Stu Fraser in today's Times which reports that:

Bedene has lived and trained in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, since 2008 but has recently spent much of his time in his homeland with his fiancée Kimalie, a Slovenian pop singer.

It also explains the Sun/Daily Fail allusion.



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Last time for me to comment on this ... but ...

Dan Evans' points would have more impact if they were more accurate. He has objected to a 'focus' on Mr Bedene when the LTA has actually tweeted more about Mr Evans' than Mr Bedene even during Mr Bedene's remarkable clay-court run (Dan Evans' implication that LTA tweets about himself are 'few and far between' is simply not accurate). He feels the team is deep enough - but he speaks as someone who, at the time when Mr Bedene first arrived on the scene, had what one might term a history of intermittent commitment to his career (by his own admission). And even now he has only one live win in the WG (or WG play-off), and that against Denis Shapovalov. Those of us who saw his win against Donskoy will never forget it, nor will we forget the role he and Mr Ward played in getting Britain back to the World Group. It was very important, and he's hugely valued. But I think it's hard to argue that the team wouldn't have had any benefit from the depth Mr Bedene would have added could he have played, or that the LTA were wrong to consider such potential benefit.

There's a long history of bad feeling around the LTA/Dan Evans relationship - and probably many rights and wrongs on both sides. But it's not for one player to determine how the LTA relates to another, and silence might be beneficial at this point.


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Last time for me to comment on this ... but ...

Dan Evans' points would have more impact if they were more accurate. He has objected to a 'focus' on Mr Bedene when the LTA has actually tweeted more about Mr Evans' than Mr Bedene even during Mr Bedene's remarkable clay-court run (Dan Evans' implication that LTA tweets about himself are 'few and far between' is simply not accurate). He feels the team is deep enough - but he speaks as someone who, at the time when Mr Bedene first arrived on the scene, had what one might term a history of intermittent commitment to his career (by his own admission). And even now he has only one live win in the WG (or WG play-off), and that against Denis Shapovalov. Those of us who saw his win against Donskoy will never forget it, nor will we forget the role he and Mr Ward played in getting Britain back to the World Group. It was very important, and he's hugely valued. But I think it's hard to argue that the team wouldn't have had any benefit from the depth Mr Bedene would have added could he have played, or that the LTA were wrong to consider such potential benefit.

There's a long history of bad feeling around the LTA/Dan Evans relationship - and probably many rights and wrongs on both sides. But it's not for one player to determine how the LTA relates to another, and silence might be beneficial at this point.


Hear, hear!  Another point people seem to forget is that the Davis Cup matches in which Aljaz represented Slovenia were all dead rubbers! 



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As always, Spec, well said.

Even if Dan had/has a point re the LTA, he should make the distinction between the LTA's actions and Bedene's actions.

He might also care to remember that it was he who used up significant LTA resources and was hardly a good steward of them.

Indeed, the report from Julien H (RIP) about Dan's kid-glove treatment at the NTC where he could do whatever he wanted and nobody dared raised a voice, was one of the more upsetting/aggravating reports I've read (and for which I blame the LTA far more than Dan, given age and experience and role etc. BUT for which Dan has to take his share of the blame too). If he's so concerned about the LTA's resource allocation, he'd have done better to take care of it when it was all directed at him.

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Oh Dan

Though does look as if Mr Fuller may have been stirring the pot a bit, having seemingly quite enjoyed having riled Dan on twitter on the subject before.


 

Yes, that's Fuller being a bit below the belt, really.

Knowing full well that Dan often speaks without thinking, and he's just lost a match and will be feeling a bit peeved in general.

Try hard to be a more responsible and insightful journalist, Mr Fuller.


Indeed. I am thinking less well of Mr Fuller by the day. That's just not a good thing to do. Dan Evans' response to his comment (given earlier exchange) was entirely predictable, and the whole thing does nobody any service: not Mr Bedene, not Mr Evans, and, indeed, not Mr Fuller.

As for the 'the LTA tweets about him, but not me' argument, it is, quite frankly, inaccurate - and easily disproved. I just checked tweets from after the Davis Cup to now (ie not including the Davis Cup, where Dan Evans would have had numerous mentions). In a quick survey, nine mentioned Mr Bedene; eleven or twelve (depending on how you count) Mr Evans. There may have been one or two I missed ... but the general point is clear. And that, as I say, doesn't include the Davis Cup or the build-up to it.

  


Interesting, I was wondering what the count was too, since I hadn't noticed them giving Aljaz any more coverage than a 16-match winning streak from anyone would warrant.

Dan's not doing himself any favours (though he does have a right to take a view on the subject of nationality switches and we often say we'd like players to be more candid ...) and I can't really see why he still feels the need to make a big deal out of it, given that his own efforts over the last year or so (not to mention the ITF's ruling) should have removed any reasons for insecurity.

I do think the GB media is trying to crank this up in time for the grass court season though (knowing that they can easily get Dan to react) and it's not a very edifying sight, from [people who should know better, e.g. the BBC. The Mail (in a rare departure for Mike, who is generally one of the best tennis journalists, into more mainstream DM territory) seems to be trying to back up Dan's arguments (some arguable, some very spurious) with innuendo. For example:

1) Implying it's borderline traitorous that he might play Halle rather than Queen's. Halle is weaker & he's higher in the Alts so less likely to need a WC than for Queen's. It's a bit like AnneK getting a DA into Rosmalen 2008 & going there instead of taking an Eastbourne WC, freeing up a WC for another Brit. I remember most of us thought that was good at the time!

2) Implying that it's un-British of him to be spending more time in Slovenia because Kimalie's career is taking off there. That's about as "shocking" as me going to the US to support my wife's career path. Not to mention the fact that any Brit who intends to take the clay court season seriously is likely to spend time practising overseas because there are so few decent clay courts here and the conditions are so different here to what they would be at most clay court ATPs.



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Murray is nowhere near back yet, everyone is obsessing about this serve problem he has, the fact is that his ground strokes are not very good right now.

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Steven to reassure you, it is completely acceptable for you to follow your pop star wife to the US.

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