Weeks 3/4 - Australian Open - Melbourne, Australia - Hard

RJA · Hall of fame

Weeks 3/4 - Australian Open - Melbourne, Australia - Hard

indiana · Tennis legend

Real pity.

Will be very interesting to hear Kyle's take on things. It does look that he still retains an occasional propensity to significantly underperform against his top ability and sometimes at very inconvenient times.

He will be ranked pretty highly come the end of the year, because he's too good. Evo may or may not be, let's hope he is and puts outlier predictors like myself firmly in place. But shorter term when life is good with Evo, and it's never been quite as tennis good, to me Evo is simply the more reliable big stage performer, I have more faith that I will get a performance if not the heights that Kyle may potentially reach.

But again be interesting to hear his own put on it. I do hope that that he doesn't indicate that it is a mystery.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Couldn't help it had to check the score.

I am not quite so pessimistic, Kyle can take a lot away from this performance. He was comprehensively beaten in a tactical battle. PCB played 95% of his shots (flat low bouncing backhands) cross court to Kyles backhand. Any attempt at a forehand required Kyle to run round the ball forcing him wider and opening up the court to shots down the line. Kyle is going to play a hell of a lot of backhands in his career when he faces top quality opponents who see him as a threat they need to prepare for.

PCB's flat backhand also denied Kyle the time and bounce he required to unleash the fear hand and when attempting to do so he often missed. PCB is a couple of years further down his developmental timeline and it is important to reflect on where Kyle sits in comparison i.e. Developmentally he has better weaponary chronologically his rank is also superior, tactically he was trounced today, given a lesson but what a learning opportunity.

the addict · Tennis legend

Denis the Menace - Wow !

Julia Carrot · All-time great

the addict wrote:
Denis the Menace - Wow !

Match took nearly 5 hours. Can hardly believe he's out though. There must be shockwaves through the tournament.

christ · Futures level

A shame for Mr Edmund, his draw has just opened up nicely.

Jan · Hall of fame

cry

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Dam! Dam!! Dam!!! Kyle must be gutted

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

the addict wrote:
Denis the Menace - Wow !

biggrin

The gap at the top of the rankings just got a whole lot wider! biggrin

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Oakland2002 wrote:

I am not quite so pessimistic, Kyle can take a lot away from this performance. He was comprehensively beaten in a tactical battle. PCB played 95% of his shots (flat low bouncing backhands) cross court to Kyles backhand. Any attempt at a forehand required Kyle to run round the ball forcing him wider and opening up the court to shots down the line. Kyle is going to play a hell of a lot of backhands in his career when he faces top quality opponents who see him as a threat they need to prepare for.

PCB's flat backhand also denied Kyle the time and bounce he required to unleash the fear hand and when attempting to do so he often missed. PCB is a couple of years further down his developmental timeline and it is important to reflect on where Kyle sits in comparison i.e. Developmentally he has better weaponary chronologically his rank is also superior, tactically he was trounced today, given a lesson but what a learning opportunity.

Good points smile

Kyle will be gutted but it's all part of the learning curve

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Round-up:

L64: (1) Andy Murray WR 1 defeated (Q) Andrey Rublev (RUS) WR 152 by 3, 0 & 2 smile

L64: Dan Evans WR 51 defeated (7) Marin Cilic (CRO) WR 7 by 3-6 7-5 6-3 6-3

L64: (30) Pablo Carreño (ESP) WR 31 defeated Kyle Edmund WR 46 by 2, 4 & 2 cry

*****

L32: (1) Andy Murray WR 1 vs (31) Sam Querrey WR 32 (CH = 17 in January 2011)

Head-to-head: 6-1.

L32: (27) Bernard Tomic (AUS) WR 27 (CH = 17 last January) vs Dan Evans WR 51

Head-to-head: 1-1.

Bruce · Lower Club Player

I see that Ivo Karlovic won again. Only 30 games in R2 instead of 84 in R1.

indiana · Tennis legend

vohor wrote:
Oakland2002 wrote:

I am not quite so pessimistic, Kyle can take a lot away from this performance. He was comprehensively beaten in a tactical battle. PCB played 95% of his shots (flat low bouncing backhands) cross court to Kyles backhand. Any attempt at a forehand required Kyle to run round the ball forcing him wider and opening up the court to shots down the line. Kyle is going to play a hell of a lot of backhands in his career when he faces top quality opponents who see him as a threat they need to prepare for.

PCB's flat backhand also denied Kyle the time and bounce he required to unleash the fear hand and when attempting to do so he often missed. PCB is a couple of years further down his developmental timeline and it is important to reflect on where Kyle sits in comparison i.e. Developmentally he has better weaponary chronologically his rank is also superior, tactically he was trounced today, given a lesson but what a learning opportunity.
Good points
Kyle will be gutted but it's all part of the learning curve

Certainly some relevant points but far from everything Kyle related, be it ( attempted ) debate re schedule in the past, occasional hard to explain big match cramping and / or performance issues and this ( even before Novak's exit ) not just big missed opportunity but hardly looked at one in an unexpectedly one sided match, can basically still just continuously be looked at as learning, important as of course that remains. Increasingly deliverance when it really matters becomes a big factor.

Kyle's a potential real star ( how far who knows ), he rightly gets a lot of credit on this forum, but at times some people do raise legitimate questions.

Spectator · All-time great

Question: I know that AM has historically not liked one of the venues at the USO because it had a smaller court. My recollection is that the same is true of Hisense. Is that correct?

indiana · Tennis legend

Spectator wrote:
Question: I know that AM has historically not liked one of the venues at the USO because it had a smaller court. My recollection is that the same is true of Hisense. Is that correct?

That was mine too and I was googling a bit last night. All I really found was him saying a few years ago that he really liked Hisense.

But a little concerning that it is on your mind too.

PS: I have read that Hisense is really the second court though schedules tend to list Margaret Court before it. Is that the case ?

PPS : Armstrong is Andy's dislike at the US Open. I knew with regards to its tightness ( and it is tight, especially for a guy that is so good at hunting balls down ). But also I was reading because it is usually significantly quicker than Ashe.

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 19th of January 2017 11:39:56 AM