Week 2 - ATP 250 - ASB Classic, Auckland, New Zealand (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Week 2 - ATP 250 - ASB Classic, Auckland, New Zealand (hard)

indiana · Tennis legend

That does look a good win by Brydan and a rather bad loss by Cam. It remains the case that Tierney's record is underwhelming.

But hopefully largely just a bad day at the office and Cam can take some lessons and move quickly on.

Jared · Social player

Cam started out weakly, getting broken in the first game of the first set, and everything went sour after that. He served only 46% first serves in the first set, double faulted a few times and couldn't save multiple break points. He settled down a little in the 2nd set and was even on serve until 3-3, but only got 1 break point all day and couldn't convert on that. Basically, it wasn't his day - congrats to Finn Tearney, who is coming off a W at Wollongong and may make some noise if he can make the main draw. I think that this was the first ATP 500 for Cam (correct me if I'm wrong), so not qualifying isn't THAT bad, but overall it wasn't that impressive of a performance. On to Maui!

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Well good to see Brydan push through. My impression is he is much more settled, the next year is a big one as he is now in the prime of his career a bit of a run here would give him some positive momentum to take through 2017.

Cam's performance (and Indi's, who I can forgive as it was very late/early) level dropped a tier, but sounds like he is taking a scenic way home to the general college tennis thread.

indiana · Tennis legend

What have I done now ? confuse

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Jared wrote:
I think that this was the first ATP 500 for Cam (correct me if I'm wrong), so not qualifying isn't THAT bad, but overall it wasn't that impressive of a performance.

It's an ATP 250, not a 500.

Vandenburg · Futures level

If Kelvin Klien does not make it this year he needs to pack it, but this is a good start for him and some nice pocket money. As for Nocam, him and Glassvegas also face a crucial year, not quite make or break, but need to be looking at ending the year around 150, and stop plateauing at the 250-300 mark.

christ · Futures level

Vandenburg wrote:
If Kelvin Klien does not make it this year he needs to pack it, but this is a good start for him and some nice pocket money. As for Nocam, him and Glassvegas also face a crucial year, not quite make or break, but need to be looking at ending the year around 150, and stop plateauing at the 250-300 mark.

Why?

Vandenburg · Futures level

christ wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
If Kelvin Klien does not make it this year he needs to pack it, but this is a good start for him and some nice pocket money. As for Nocam, him and Glassvegas also face a crucial year, not quite make or break, but need to be looking at ending the year around 150, and stop plateauing at the 250-300 mark.
Why?

Because you need to be breaking the top 100 by a certain age. Not just for development but for financial sustainability.

indiana · Tennis legend

Vandenburg wrote:
christ wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
If Kelvin Klien does not make it this year he needs to pack it, but this is a good start for him and some nice pocket money. As for Nocam, him and Glassvegas also face a crucial year, not quite make or break, but need to be looking at ending the year around 150, and stop plateauing at the 250-300 mark.
Why?
Because you need to be breaking the top 100 by a certain age. Not just for development but for financial sustainability.

You in the LTA, Vandenburg ? wink I assume "Nocam" is Cam, who is of course still going through college, although taking periods out to enter events and develop.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Vandenburg wrote:
christ wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
If Kelvin Klien does not make it this year he needs to pack it, but this is a good start for him and some nice pocket money. As for Nocam, him and Glassvegas also face a crucial year, not quite make or break, but need to be looking at ending the year around 150, and stop plateauing at the 250-300 mark.
Why?
Because you need to be breaking the top 100 by a certain age. Not just for development but for financial sustainability.

That assumes you know what his personal financial position is, and his financial goals. Not to mention his own personal development goals. Which I doubt any of us do.

indiana · Tennis legend

It's a bit like folk trying to retire Emily W-S way back before she even had the 2011 move up to her CH at age 27, or at least saying she should drop singles back then.

Now 32, you don't need to spend long reading her tweets to see someone with a zest for life and what she does. How it all works financially for her I don't know but to me she's doing what she wants to, and clearly loves much of the travel aspect ( with the odd moan

)

She does stand out hugely, particularly among our women, for keeping going and good luck to her and generally our men and women.

Being good enough to play sport as a career is great and no doubt a dream for many, however tough. We seem to have more of an issue in this country than most others about not more embracing the slightly older players.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Vandy makes some interesting points, assuming the aspiration is to be a financially independent full time elite tennis player.

Although I think he is wrong, Brydan now married and creating few if any waves in relation to how he controls the mental side of the game, I think (and merely my opinion based on very little evidence)he is probably now for the first time in a position to fully focus on optimising his game. The top 100 is full of older players who will inevitably be finding it harder over the next 2-3 years while Brandon will be at his prime in terms of athleticism and game management.

Lloyd is what 18 months out of college and has coped well with the step up in quality day to day on the futures and challenger tour, fiscally I am sure things are tight but for the reasons above if he can get into the top 200 in the next yr to 18 months he would be in a similar position to Brydan. The potential for improvement is probably more significant, Lloyd isn't a guy who was traveling the world chasing junior ITF points and junior slams from the age of 14 but a player who made immense improvements in college and has cruised through futures.

Cam hasn't even started playing the pro tour properly yet, He is well placed to come in at the challenger level. I see him as a top 100 player it may take 18 months it may take 3-4 years, much depends on when he chooses to finish college.

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Monday 9th of January 2017 02:14:44 PM

wolf · Tennis legend

Brydan's draw doesn't seem to have been posted yet.

L32: Facundo Bagnis (ARG) WR 55 v (Q) Brydan Klein WR 324

They play at 11:30 GMT tonight.

Vandenburg · Futures level

Oakland2002 wrote:
Vandy makes some interesting points, assuming the aspiration is to be a financially independent full time elite tennis player.

Although I think he is wrong, Brydan now married and creating few if any waves in relation to how he controls the mental side of the game, I think (and merely my opinion based on very little evidence) is probably now for the first time in a position to fully focus on optimising his game. The top 100 is full of older players who will inevitably be finding harder over the next 2-3 years while Brandon will be at his prime in terms of athleticism and game management.

Lloyd is what 18 months out of college and has coped well with the step up in quality day to day on the futures and challenger tour, fiscally I am sure things are tight but for the reasons above he can get into the top 200 in the next yr to 18 months he would be in a similar position to Brydan. The potential for improvement probably more significant, Lloyd isn't a guy who was traveling the world chasing junior ITF points and junior slams from the age of 14 but a player who made immense improvements in college and has cruised through futures.

Cam hasn't even started playing the pro tour properly yet, He is well placed to come in at the challenger level. I see him as a top 100 player it may take 18 months it may take 3-4 years, much depends on when he chooses to finish college.

I hear you. Nocam, and Glassvegas have taken the US college route, which I think is refreshing. But my point stands, a goal should be to reach a level where you are at least making money or breaking even. Yes everyone has different circumstances, if you were very wealthy or an earl etc, or had a career to fall back on once you quit fair enough, I do not mind you playing into yours 30s for fun, if not making money.

I also think, WC into main draw atp should not get the first round prize money. A while back, somebody calculated what percentage of Boggo's career prize money had come from Wimbledon 1Rnd WC, and I was in shock.

I just cannot help feel that if your life really depended on if you made it or not in the top 100, we would produce more players.