Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, PRC (hard)

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

RE: Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, PRC (hard)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Kyle Live Ranking Update

On the asumption that we are correct and Kyle has 1001 points (pretty sure on that one) and that the other points tallies for players around Kyle are correct on Live Rankings (less sure on that one) Kyle is now at 43 in the rankings for next Monday.

There are only three players that could surpass him now.

Taylor Fritz - would have to reach the SF in Shanghai
Mischa Zverev - would have to reach the final
Vasek Posposil - would have to reach the final.

The last two are a bit far fetched. Fritz would likely have to beat Bautista Agut, Nadal and then either Zverev (the younger) or Tsonga.

Of course a victory for Kyle over Stan would change all that.
That ain't gonna happen: he's just lost to Bautista by 4 & 4.

So the one I thought might pose a threat is gone whilst the two more "far fetched" risks remain. Pospisil beat Dimitrov but now faces Djokovic. Zverev beat Kyrgios (or to be more accurate Kyrgios beat himself allowing Zverev to advance) and now faces Granollers and would then face the winner of the Pospisil v Djokovic match.

So Djokovic could single handedly seal Kyle's spot at 43 for next week, but in this case, I would be more than happy to see one or other of Pospisil and Zverev take him out. I am sure Kyle would happily sacrifice one place in the rankings for a week if it helped Andy in his battle for Nº1.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Kyle Live Ranking Update

On the asumption that we are correct and Kyle has 1001 points (pretty sure on that one) and that the other points tallies for players around Kyle are correct on Live Rankings (less sure on that one) Kyle is now at 43 in the rankings for next Monday.

There are only three players that could surpass him now.

Taylor Fritz - would have to reach the SF in Shanghai
Mischa Zverev - would have to reach the final
Vasek Posposil - would have to reach the final.

The last two are a bit far fetched. Fritz would likely have to beat Bautista Agut, Nadal and then either Zverev (the younger) or Tsonga.

Of course a victory for Kyle over Stan would change all that.
That ain't gonna happen: he's just lost to Bautista by 4 & 4.
So the one I thought might pose a threat is gone whilst the two more "far fetched" risks remain. Pospisil beat Dimitrov but now faces Djokovic. Zverev beat Kyrgios (or to be more accurate Kyrgios beat himself allowing Zverev to advance) and now faces Granollers and would then face the winner of the Pospisil v Djokovic match.
So Djokovic could single handedly seal Kyle's spot at 43 for next week, but in this case, I would be more than happy to see one or other of Pospisil and Zverev take him out. I am sure Kyle would happily sacrifice one place in the rankings for a week if it helped Andy in his battle for Nº1.

And Mischa marches on, having now despatched Granollers in three (6-7(4) 6-4 6-1), while JWT did for Alexander, also in three (6-7(4) 6-2 7-5)...

Spectator · All-time great

Well done, Mischa! (And well done, Sascha, too. That's a good scoreline against JWT) I've wondered how it was feeling for the younger brother to be getting all the glory. Glad to see the older brother have his day in the sun. And, as most of his points seem to be from the second part of the year, it sets him up for a very pleasant early 2017, barring any surprises. Milos Raonic and Jack Sock have just split sets - rather would like a win by the latter, too.

JonH · All-time great

Stircrazy wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Kyle Live Ranking Update

On the asumption that we are correct and Kyle has 1001 points (pretty sure on that one) and that the other points tallies for players around Kyle are correct on Live Rankings (less sure on that one) Kyle is now at 43 in the rankings for next Monday.

There are only three players that could surpass him now.

Taylor Fritz - would have to reach the SF in Shanghai
Mischa Zverev - would have to reach the final
Vasek Posposil - would have to reach the final.

The last two are a bit far fetched. Fritz would likely have to beat Bautista Agut, Nadal and then either Zverev (the younger) or Tsonga.

Of course a victory for Kyle over Stan would change all that.
That ain't gonna happen: he's just lost to Bautista by 4 & 4.
So the one I thought might pose a threat is gone whilst the two more "far fetched" risks remain. Pospisil beat Dimitrov but now faces Djokovic. Zverev beat Kyrgios (or to be more accurate Kyrgios beat himself allowing Zverev to advance) and now faces Granollers and would then face the winner of the Pospisil v Djokovic match.
So Djokovic could single handedly seal Kyle's spot at 43 for next week, but in this case, I would be more than happy to see one or other of Pospisil and Zverev take him out. I am sure Kyle would happily sacrifice one place in the rankings for a week if it helped Andy in his battle for Nº1.
And Mischa marches on, having now despatched Granollers in three (6-7(4) 6-4 6-1), while JWT did for Alexander, also in three (6-7(4) 6-2 7-5)...

What I didn't understand though is why the powers that be scheduled them for the same time? Surely that wasnt very considerate for the families of the Zverev's and also for German fans more widely!

As an aside, am I correct in thinking that the old Russian players Zverev (is he ALexander also?) is related to them , perhaps their Dad? And is their any relationship with Natasha Zvereva also? I have a memory she was Belarussian so maybe wasn't related? Both older Zverev and Zvereva had good games to watch (mercurial?) and it looks like the brothers have also got that in them as well.

steven · Tennis legend

As you guessed, the Russian Alexander Zverev is their father and Natasha Zvereva isn't related to them as far as I know.

JonH · All-time great

Thanks Steven - I recall Dad Zverev was quite tall and lanky and had a languid , easy game a bit like Miloslav Mecir.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

And NoDjo sees off Pospisil by 4 & 4.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Their mother is Irina Zvereva, ex-top 500 player who (supposedly) would have been much higher if free travel had been allowed in Communist Russia.

It also says on a couple of sites that Natasha is their aunt, but no idea if that's true

the addict · Tennis legend

One less for Andy to worry about - Jack Sock has just beaten Milos Raonic in a final set tie-break 0-6 6-4 7-6(8)

JonH · All-time great

the addict wrote:
One less for Andy to worry about - Jack Sock has just beaten Milos Raonic in a final set tie-break 0-6 6-4 7-6(8)

On my theme of thoughtless scheduling, putting the two Zverev's on at the same time, they also put the two Canadians on together as well as second matches. Mind you both lost so maybe the Canadian fans didn't mind too much, but seriously, it does seem daft to me.

Spectator · All-time great

Coup Droit wrote:
Their mother is Irina Zvereva, ex-top 500 player who (supposedly) would have been much higher if free travel had been allowed in Communist Russia.

It also says on a couple of sites that Natasha is their aunt, but no idea if that's true

Decent gene pool, then.

Trying to think - other than the Federer children and the Graf-Agassi children, are there many others who have two parents who are/were tennis players?

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

L16: (2) Andy Murray WR 2 defeated (13) Lucas Pouille (FRA) WR 16 by 1 & 3

Monfils (6) or Goffin (11) in the QF.

Jan · Hall of fame

Excellent match from Andy

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

James wrote:
Oh entirely the former. Watched a fair bit of the match myself and NK just did not want to be on-court. The thing is, this in itself is entirely understable considering the amount of matches he has played recently, however the question stands, why not retire injured or feign competitiveness rather than creating the cringe worthy and unprofessional scene that is a player tanking? I'm not expecting anyone to answer that! It was a shambles anyway. Zverev won't be complaining though - so far he's played a Chinese WC and a tanking NK, not the worst way to earn a good chunk of points and prize money.

Sometimes I get really frustrated/angry at Nick.

He's got the talent that so many of us would be love to have, and a way to earn millions without too much work.

On the other hand, he didn't ask for it, or all the media attention. He's just a talented kid - god knows how I or any or the rest of us would have handles that at the age of 21.

It's all very well to say that he needs mentoring, but did most of us want to be told what to do at his age?