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RE: Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, PRC (hard)


Bob in Spain wrote:
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I see Kyrgios just got thrashed by Mischa Zverev in two very easy sets - didnt see any of it but was this another case of NK not caring and not trying or did Mischa Zverev play particularly well? I suspect I can guess the answer!


Not surprised by this at all after Kyrgios had previously stated that he was "bored" during his 1st round match.  From the tweets I've seen, he was mixing it with the fans as well. 

This is from Stuart Fraser.

Just been out on Grandstand to witness a pitiful effort from Nick Kyrgios. Arguing with a fan who told him to "respect the game and people"

And this from Barry Flatman

What gets into Kyrgios? He can be a wonderfully entertaining talent but today in Shanghai he was a total disgrace, disrespecting the sport


As reported by the Beeb:

Kyrgios is up to his old tricks again...

Nick Kyrgios was booed off court after he appeared to stop trying during a straight-set defeat by Mischa Zverev in round two of the Shanghai Masters.

The Australian, who said he was "bored" during his first-round victory over Sam Querrey, patted the ball over the net several times when serving.

He also began walking back to his chair before a serve from Zverev had landed.

The 21-year-old, ranked a career-high 12th in the world having won the Japan Open on Sunday, lost 6-3 6-1.


It's probably the effect of that rather, er, fetching (salmon?) pink Nike kit he was wearing. disbelief  There's a photo on the Beeb site, but I can't seem to copy & past it on here.

 



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JonH wrote:
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L16:(1) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR7 (3+4)"defeated" Roberto Bautista & David Ferrer UNR (359+0) by a walkover smile


Bye, walkover, 180 points, Bruno one win away from being WR 1


 And Jamie and Bruno as a pair one win away from taking top place in the Racesmile


 If they went out in the QF would they get the points for the w/o given they hadn't won a match previously?



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The Optimist wrote:
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indiana wrote:
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L16:(1) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR7 (3+4)"defeated" Roberto Bautista & David Ferrer UNR (359+0) by a walkover smile


Bye, walkover, 180 points, Bruno one win away from being WR 1


 And Jamie and Bruno as a pair one win away from taking top place in the Racesmile


 If they went out in the QF would they get the points for the w/o given they hadn't won a match previously?


Yes, players get points for walkover wins, which logically is absolutely fair ( especially for seeded / expected 'winners' ) even if a bit lucky at times. 



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The Optimist wrote:
JonH wrote:
indiana wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

L16:(1) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR7 (3+4)"defeated" Roberto Bautista & David Ferrer UNR (359+0) by a walkover smile


Bye, walkover, 180 points, Bruno one win away from being WR 1


 And Jamie and Bruno as a pair one win away from taking top place in the Racesmile


 If they went out in the QF would they get the points for the w/o given they hadn't won a match previously?


 Can't find confirmation in the ATP rulebook quickly, but under ITF rules they wouldn't get the points just the loser's prize-money :(



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Bob in Spain wrote:

Kyle Live Ranking Update

On the asumption that we are correct and Kyle has 1001 points (pretty sure on that one) and that the other points tallies for players around Kyle are correct on Live Rankings (less sure on that one) Kyle is now at 43 in the rankings for next Monday.

There are only three players that could surpass him now.

Taylor Fritz - would have to reach the SF in Shanghai
Mischa Zverev - would have to reach the final
Vasek Posposil - would have to reach the final.

The last two are a bit far fetched. Fritz would likely have to beat Bautista Agut, Nadal and then either Zverev (the younger) or Tsonga.

Of course a victory for Kyle over Stan would change all that.


That ain't gonna happen:  he's just lost to Bautista by 4 & 4. wink 



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So Djokovic's draw blasts wide open. When Dimitrov beat (14) Gasquet in R1, that didn't appear to make things any easier, but Pospisil beat Dimitrov so will be Novak's L16 opponent. (7) Berdych or (12) Kyrgios in the QF ? - no, now make that Granollers or Misha Zverev. Nadal's out to Troicki so the only other remaining seeds in that top half apart from Novak himself are (9) Tsonga or (15) Bautista Agut.

Meantime Andy's possible path of Johnson, (6) Monfils or (11) Goffin, and possibly (3) Wawrinka ot (5) Raonic remains fully intact.

Like at the US Open one wonders how vulnerable Djokovic is to really strong opposition, and once again that potential opposition largely evaporates.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 12th of October 2016 12:45:08 PM

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Hmm, wonder if Kyrgios will come up with some rubbish again about that serve that he walked away from like at Wimbledon once when he clearly didn't try to return and in his PC was basically denying it and coming out with "have you seen how hard that guy serves, I'd like to see you return it"

As Barry Flatman says Kyrgios can be entertaining and it's good to have personalities and folk a bit different, but gee mate, quit the absolute disrespecting of your sport and its followers and if you have issues on the day, man up and say what they are rather than treat sponsors, press and spectators as idiots or whatever you're doing in your mind ...

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the addict wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
JonH wrote:
indiana wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

L16:(1) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR7 (3+4)"defeated" Roberto Bautista & David Ferrer UNR (359+0) by a walkover smile


Bye, walkover, 180 points, Bruno one win away from being WR 1


 And Jamie and Bruno as a pair one win away from taking top place in the Racesmile


 If they went out in the QF would they get the points for the w/o given they hadn't won a match previously?


 Can't find confirmation in the ATP rulebook quickly, but under ITF rules they wouldn't get the points just the loser's prize-money :(


As I indicated, I'm sure they get the points in the ATP, and as I said that's logical. So very surprised if that's not the case in the ITF when players could still have won a played match or their opponents retired. 

A bye is one thing, a walkover against oppnents you may have / were likely to beat anyway quite something else 



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indiana wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
JonH wrote:
indiana wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

L16:(1) Jamie Murray & Bruno Soares (BRA) CR7 (3+4)"defeated" Roberto Bautista & David Ferrer UNR (359+0) by a walkover smile


Bye, walkover, 180 points, Bruno one win away from being WR 1


 And Jamie and Bruno as a pair one win away from taking top place in the Racesmile


 If they went out in the QF would they get the points for the w/o given they hadn't won a match previously?


Yes, players get points for walkover wins, which logically is absolutely fair ( especially for seeded / expected 'winners' ) even if a bit lucky at times. 


 Yes, I know w/o wins give points, but I though it was only if you'd won a match first. Like, if you win your first round, then get a walkover.  I thought if a player exited from a tournament without winning a match at all they got prize money but not points. As The Addict points out above, that is certainly the case in ITF events and I don't see why it should be different at tour level.  But I don't actually know the rules.



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Interesting, The Optimist, re that specific not having won a match at all distinction. I must admit I don't know for sure ( ignore slightly misleading phrase of "I'm sure" ).

Would still to me seem very unfair, especially to seeds / expected winners. I'm surprised re the ITF rule.

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L32:  (2) Andy Murray WR 2 defeated Steve Johnson (USA) WR 24 by 3 & 2

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L16:  (13) Lucas Pouille (FRA) WR 16 (= CH) vs (2) Andy Murray WR 2

They met for the first & only time so in the semi-final of the Rome Masters.  Andy won by 2 & 1



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indiana wrote:

So Djokovic's draw blasts wide open. When Dimitrov beat (14) Gasquet in R1, that didn't appear to make things any easier, but Pospisil beat Dimitrov so will be Novak's L16 opponent. (7) Berdych or (12) Kyrgios in the QF ? - no, now make that Granollers or Misha Zverev. Nadal's out to Troicki so the only other remaining seeds in that top half apart from Novak himself are (9) Tsonga or (15) Bautista Agut.

Meantime Andy's possible path of Johnson, (6) Monfils or (11) Goffin, and possibly (3) Wawrinka ot (5) Raonic remains fully intact.

Like at the US Open one wonders how vulnerable Djokovic is to really strong opposition, and once again that potential opposition largely evaporates.



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 12th of October 2016 12:45:08 PM


Agree, though the thing is that Dimitrov, despite some good results recently, hasn't been spectacular for a while ... Kyrgios is like the littlle girl who when she was good, she was very, very good etc ... and Nadal still isn't himself. So a lot of the threats never felt like the fullest of threats on that side. But yes, to say that Djokovic has been fortunate in his draws this Autumn is the understatement of the year. On the other hand, as noted at the start of this thread, AM's draw is fairly hideous ... though I was glad to see JMDP go out to Goffin!



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indiana wrote:

Interesting, The Optimist, re that specific not having won a match at all distinction. I must admit I don't know for sure ( ignore slightly misleading phrase of "I'm sure" ).

Would still to me seem very unfair, especially to seeds / expected winners. I'm surprised re the ITF rule.


 The rules are a little confusing, and contradictory - the clauses below are copied from the ITF 2016 rulebook. The first treats byes and walkovers the same, the second only actually mentions byes. And it does seem unfair if TO and me are right. (Apologies for the layout - I should have retyped it rather than pasted it)

Defaults, Byes, Withdrawals and  Retirements

A match won by retirement, default or walkover will count as a match won for computer ranking points and prize money.

 

While lower down on the same page

A player or team that receives one (1) or more consecutive byes and thereafter loses his/their first match played, will not receive any computer ranking points but will receive losers prize money for the round   reached.

 



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Agreed that it would be rough. You can't be faulted for the fact that your opponents don't appear!

On the Kyrgios front, I've just seen some clips. He was being paid $35,845 for having reached the 2nd round. To be honest, I hope he is fined the lot (he has earned enough money that it wouldn't imperil his future) Would be even better if the money could be used to fund hardworking young players with little access to playing opportunities. At a professional level, you can't let people simply throw matches. And to be 'bored' to the point of not making any effort when people are paying you more for a match than most people earn in a year - and about triple what most futures players earn in a year - is ... well ... unattractive.

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Kyrgios is such a persistant (and arrogant) offender that a mere fine probably wouldn't mean anything to him. He must be due for a meaningful ban by now. Fans pay good money to go and watch tennis thereby contributing to his "prize" money, and they are being cheated. Imagine the uproar if he did that on Centre Court at Wimbledon !

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